The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
WAG - Harry has never met Justin DuMorne. His Justin was Heinrich Kemmler.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 04, 2020, 01:05:08 AM ---...
@g33k: My point is that he should be categorized as dirty from at least that point. It's not like we know of a single thing he did before that. (He wardened and likely associated with Margaret).
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Fair enough!
I just think that's an awfully huge swing to the Darkside, if he had been faithfully doing good Warden duty until then. I mean, seriously: you were just part of taking down the most dangerous warlock in modern memory... you're riding high on victory & virtue! So you shit on it all and grab some dangerous, needs-destroying black magic ??!?
Bad Alias:
Had he been faithfully doing good Warden duty until then? Or was he dragooned into service as a Warden because of the Kemmler situation?
Taking Bob1 doesn't violate a single Law of Magic. Bob isn't black magic. He's knowledge not quite incarnate. Naked power. The good or evil of Bob is almost entirely in the holder.
Stealing Bob isn't even close to warlock territory. It's corrupt. It's "dirty." It's helped Harry save the world repeatedly.
I do think we should all be able to agree that Justin wasn't a loyal upstanding Council member long before he decided to adopt some heavy hitter wizardlings to use as enforcers (or some as yet unknown purpose).
1: I'm going to call him Bob because what else should I call him? The spirit currently known as Bob? Kemmler's air spirit?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 04, 2020, 06:17:28 AM --- Had he been faithfully doing good Warden duty until then? Or was he dragooned into service as a Warden because of the Kemmler situation? ...
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You know... I think we don't actually know very much about Justin's past.
Maybe he was dragooned into the Wardens to fight Kemmler, just as Harry was dragooned to fight Kemmler's heirs... That's not my impression, but I don't recall any canon I can quote, or WoJ I can link, to show support for the "long-term warden" as Justin's backstory.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 04, 2020, 06:17:28 AM --- ...
Taking Bob1 doesn't violate a single Law of Magic. Bob isn't black magic. He's knowledge not quite incarnate. Naked power. The good or evil of Bob is almost entirely in the holder ...
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Not so.
Recall that when Harry re-united Bob with Kemmler-era Bob, we got Evil Bob.
Evil Bob is... well, evil. Just having the memories made the change -- Harry was still the Boss of Bob, technically (even EvilBob had to obey the return-to-skull conditions Harry had laid down), but Bob tried to KILL Harry; and you recall the WWII-Nazi bit of the Nevernever that EvilBob cooked up.
If Bob were as neutral as all that, destroying the skull wouldn't have been a priority -- Bob could have "safely" been retained and studied by the Council. Instead, it needed to be destroyed... "of course."
Early on in the series, Harry explains (or sometimes just narrates what/why he can't explain) to Murphy how some research will get him killed, if the WC were to find out. Some knowledge is inherently Black-Magical, or at least a presumptive death-sentence.
Bad Alias:
About Justin: The closest we have to evidence of his upstandingness is whatever it was that LaFortier said in Summer Knight. I think that's it. On the other hand, we have everything else we know about him from stealing Bob to Harry killing him that would lead us to believe he wasn't a good guy.
About Bob: I don't know. Bob, on his own, destroyed as much "Evil Bob" as he could and locked away the rest. Kemmler was evil. That's why Bob was evil. I think the Council was ignorant as to Bob's true nature. I will freely admit Bob is extremely dangerous because he himself is neutral. He has no internal moral limits. It'd be really bad if an evil person got a hold of him.
About Harry's research in Storm Front: I think that had more to do with the Doom, Morgan being a hardcase, and Early Installment Weirdness. Let's ignore EIW because it isn't too helpful and is just my opinion. I don't think Harry was allowed within spitting distance of violating the Laws. See his interactions with Toot. For an example of Morgan being a hardcase about the Laws, see the his reaction to the "standard practice" wards on Harry's storage unit in Turn Coat.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 04, 2020, 07:50:27 PM --- About Justin: The closest we have to evidence of his upstandingness is whatever it was that LaFortier said in Summer Knight. I think that's it...
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<heh>
<heh, heh>
And we all know LaFortier to have been an upstanding pillar of righteous behavior & exraordinarily-good judgement.
:o
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 04, 2020, 07:50:27 PM --- ... About Bob: I don't know. Bob, on his own, destroyed as much "Evil Bob" as he could and locked away the rest ...
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Yeah... Bob did that. Harry's Bob. Kemmler's skull? No, that was actively evil. And that evil was there inside, waiting a chance to get out. And without any proximate owner to order it to, it tried to kill Harry (and nearly succeeded).
(BTW -- I know Bob "locked away" as much of the Kemmlerian stuff as he could; but I don't know that he "destroyed" any of EvilBob, or was even capable of doing so: if he could destroy his knowledge, he could have been safe from Mab by getting rid of the Immortal-Killing info...)
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