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Christmas Eve story - Huge question
forumghost:
I mean we all know the real reason she won't fuck with Maggie- It's not practical. Maggie primary (and currently sole) potential use is as leverage against her father, and Mab:
A) Has no need to play that Card, because she has Harry by the short hairs and she know it
B) is equally aware that if she plays that Card, she's going to have to either kill Harry (and cost herself a useful agent for no benefit), or risk throwing down with a Necromantic God after Harry decides "Y'know what, fuck you Mab, I'm gonna go eat a Capital City and then come back to finish this conversation".
g33k:
--- Quote from: forumghost on January 16, 2020, 11:23:18 AM --- I mean we all know the real reason she won't fuck with Maggie- It's not practical. Maggie primary (and currently sole) potential use is as leverage against her father ...
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Mab has already fucked with Maggie, and is likely to keep doing it.
She took Maggie's dad to be her Winter Knight. That is fucked up in soooo many ways, right there.
She has Maggie's oldest sister as Winter Lady. You know, the cool sister, who went all goth-y and rebellious, but made up afterwards, and still comes home sometimes and does snowball-fights and other cool stuff. But in the end, Molly's still the Winter Lady, and is gonna be icy in all sorts of subtle ways.
And she's slipping Maggie the kinds of gifts that every little girl dreams of... the kinds of gifts that only a Faerie Queen can provide. And weasels her fucked-up way into Maggie's higher estimation.
--- Quote from: forumghost on January 16, 2020, 11:23:18 AM --- ... Mab:
A) Has no need to play that Card, because she has Harry by the short hairs and she know it ...
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Mab won't always have Harry by the short hairs (and I suspect she knows it). But she'll have SOME sort of a handle on Harry so long as she has input on Maggie.
--- Quote from: forumghost on January 16, 2020, 11:23:18 AM --- B) is equally aware that if she plays that Card, she's going to have to either kill Harry (and cost herself a useful agent for no benefit), or risk throwing down with a Necromantic God after Harry decides "Y'know what, fuck you Mab, I'm gonna go eat a Capital City and then come back to finish this conversation".
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Pretty sure that's a threat that Harry cannot make good upon. Until he figures out how to un-Mantle, there's nowhere he can go that Mab cannot know, cannot find him. The Mantle inside him is a part of Winter, part of Mab's own power. The moment Harry starts Necromanting, Mab is gonna feel it, and stop it (unless she figures she can control even Darkhallow-Harry via the Mantle). He can maybe get a moment of privacy if he draws a circle... but probably not! With Winter already inside him, I will assert that Mab herself is inside the circle, too!
You recall near the end of Cold Days, he figured out he could step across the big circle on Demonreach because he was PART of the island, in some sense already inside it. Confirmed(ish) later by Molly repeating his logic with mud from the island itself. Winter inside Harry means a mere circle will no longer keep out Mab!
Last but not least: I suspect the Darkhallow is gone from his mind, from when Lash took the psychic bullet (it remains to be seen whether Bonea knows some/all of Lash's info) and so much of the Lash-knowledge (Ghouls' speach, etc) departed.
Silentbrick:
If Mab knows what Harry's thinking and doing, why didn't she know what Lloyd Slate was up to? By that logic she should have known he was the one that killed the Summer Knight. I suspect Mab has to find Harry through other means.
Bad Alias:
@morris: Thanks. So Mab tells Harry “I am not giving you a gift. I am fulfilling to you an obligation," “If you give her the ring," and “Make sure she knows who gave it to her." It seems to me that wants Harry to tell Maggie that the ring is from Mab. Mab does not act without purpose. But, the truth is that Harry will be the one who gave her the ring. Mab's obligation is to Harry, not Maggie. So that leads me back to "maybe Harry doesn't tell her it's from Mab."
--- Quote from: Silentbrick on January 16, 2020, 04:17:00 AM ---Does Mother Winter owe Harry a gift? And if Eb falls during Peace Talks, before passing the staff, does it return to Mother Winter?
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Maybe she owes him a gift, but he has to go to her to get it. Jim's said some contradictory stuff on how the staff goes from one wizard to the next. He's said the Blackstaff chooses his successor and he's said that the Blackstaff goes to the wizard willing to pick it up. It seems that under both circumstances, the staff does not return to Mother Winter.
--- Quote from: g33k on January 17, 2020, 01:42:04 AM ---You recall near the end of Cold Days, he figured out he could step across the big circle on Demonreach because he was PART of the island, in some sense already inside it. Confirmed(ish) later by Molly repeating his logic with mud from the island itself. Winter inside Harry means a mere circle will no longer keep out Mab!
Last but not least: I suspect the Darkhallow is gone from his mind, from when Lash took the psychic bullet (it remains to be seen whether Bonea knows some/all of Lash's info) and so much of the Lash-knowledge (Ghouls' speach, etc) departed.
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Circles are used to summon things. Harry summoned Mab. That's how she showed up. At least that's what the book says. Harry's been wrong before about how things work.
Based on what's happened, it really seems like Harry shouldn't know how to do the Darkhallow, but Jim has repeatedly said that he could have.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Silentbrick on January 17, 2020, 02:14:04 AM ---If Mab knows what Harry's thinking and doing, why didn't she know what Lloyd Slate was up to? By that logic she should have known he was the one that killed the Summer Knight. I suspect Mab has to find Harry through other means.
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I don't know about Slate, but she always finds Harry when she wants to. She found him after Kincaid plugged him fast enough to keep him alive. Personally I think her buddy the Gatekeeper has a satellite lock on him. Another person who can find him anywhere.
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