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Christmas Eve story - Huge question
Mira:
This is the important bit:
--- Quote ---I held up a hand. "Hold it, hold it. Look, asI understand it, this power of the Summer Knight, his mantle, it can't just exist on its own. It has to be inside a vessel."
"Yes," Winter murmured. "Within one of the Queens, or within the Knight."
"And it isn't with one of the Queens."
"True," Summer said. "We would sense it, were it so."
"So it's already in another Knight," I said. "But if that was true, there'd be no imbalance."
--- End quote ---
1] The mantle has to be in a vessel, cannot exist on it's own.
2] Within a Queen or a Knight, or the Mothers would sense it. Which they don't.
3] If it were already in a Knight, the Mothers would sense it, which they don't. More
importantly there would be no imbalance.
4]
--- Quote ---"Unless it had been changed. the new Knight had been changed. Transformed into something else. Something that left the power trapped, inert, useless."
--- End quote ---
1] Lily made new Knight 2] immediately transformed into something else, statue, power trapped, not sensed by Queens or the Mothers. There are your order of events.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 25, 2020, 03:08:19 PM ---This is the important bit:
1] The mantle has to be in a vessel, cannot exist on it's own.
2] Within a Queen or a Knight, or the Mothers would sense it. Which they don't.
3] If it were already in a Knight, the Mothers would sense it, which they don't. More
importantly there would be no imbalance.
4]
1] Lily made new Knight 2] immediately transformed into something else, statue, power trapped, not sensed by Queens or the Mothers. There are your order of events.
--- End quote ---
You are aware that is the exact opposite order from what you posted 3 posts up?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---2] Within a Queen or a Knight, or the Mothers would sense it. Which they don't.
3] If it were already in a Knight, the Mothers would sense it, which they don't.
--- End quote ---
In point of fact, it is only said that the Mothers would sense the Knight mantle if it were within one of the Queens, not if it were in a Knight.
--- Quote ---You are aware that is the exact opposite order from what you posted 3 posts up?
--- End quote ---
This. Mira, you said that Lily was turned into a statue and then was made the Summer Knight. This was the order of events that I was objecting to.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 25, 2020, 03:50:10 PM ---In point of fact, it is only said that the Mothers would sense the Knight mantle if it were within one of the Queens, not if it were in a Knight.
This. Mira, you said that Lily was turned into a statue and then was made the Summer Knight. This was the order of events that I was objecting to.
--- End quote ---
Not so, because if it were in a Knight there would be no imbalance. I admit I may have been mistaken, memory sucks sometimes. However you are also wrong, the Mother's would know if it had been in a Knight, because there would be no imbalance. The Queens would know, because there would be no imbalance. Unless it was transformed which it was.. Now you'd think it would be hard to transform a Knight once the mantle is established into a statue.. Unless it happened so quickly the mantle entered Lily and instantly she was transformed.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Not so, because if it were in a Knight there would be no imbalance.
--- End quote ---
Unless the Knight was transformed.
--- Quote ---However you are also wrong, the Mother's would know if it had been in a Knight, because there would be no imbalance.
--- End quote ---
Unless the Knight was transformed.
--- Quote ---The Queens would know, because there would be no imbalance.
--- End quote ---
Unless the Knight was transformed.
--- Quote ---Unless it was transformed which it was.
--- End quote ---
See? You know this. So what even was the point of those three sentences?
--- Quote ---Now you'd think it would be hard to transform a Knight once the mantle is established into a statue.
--- End quote ---
Why? I don't think it would be hard for a Summer Queen to do to a Summer Knight anything she wanted. It's not like Lily was known for her strong will, and she wouldn't have the first clue how to use the power in the mantle if she wanted to--which, given that Aurora was her friend and almost certainly didn't tell her what she was planning, she almost certainly wouldn't have.
And I think turning a Knight into a statue would be much easier than trying to stick the mantle into a statue. I seriously doubt the mantle could be put into a statue that wasn't also a person, since if it could be then there would be no reason for Aurora not to just do that--and given that the Lily-statue was so much a statue that even a normal counter-spell from Aurora (who cast the spell) wouldn't un-statue her, and an Unraveling from Mother Winter was needed, it seems far more likely than not that the mantle would have treated someone trying to put it in statue-Lily as someone trying to put it in a statue, not a person.
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