The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Souls and Ghosts.
Bad Alias:
@toodeep: Jim pretty specifically stated that ghosts are what are left behind and souls move on. The link to the video is in the first post in this thread. Mort and Sir Stuart were pretty clear that Dresden seemed off for just a ghost. And Harry was given an option because that was the whole point. He was robbed of choice when he "killed" himself. His option wasn't to remain a ghost, but to stay in a pre-judgment part of the afterlife. That isn't avoiding the "final decision." It is delaying it.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I think Jim has been inconsistent with his ghost/soul application. It appears Harry was a ghost that was also running around with a soul. Corpsetaker must have had a soul to go to the "southbound train" at then end of the book, despite the fact that she didn't even really believe in the soul. But she's special because she body jumped and thus may have had her mind/soul already prepped for transfer and thus have kept it in the afterlife.
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Actually, I think he's been fairly consistent: anyone who 1) doesn't use necromancy; and 2) doesn't have an additional factor helping them to stick around doesn't get to stick around. The only two ghosts we see that we can confirm have souls are Corpsetaker, who is a necromancer and who also body jumps a lot; and Harry, who has a gift for necromancy and who has an archangel interfering.
--- Quote ---Sir Stuart was offered a job by an angel, to work with other souls that we know are only working there until they are "ready" for the next step. The indication from the angel was that Captain Murphy and Carmical (sp) were souls that were currently just working as ghosts before they moved on. Sir Stuart had been a ghost for a very long time, and so to say he still had his soul enough to work with the Murphy gang seems to indicate most ghosts can
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A couple of points:
1) I'm pretty sure Uriel says something to the effect of "Sir Stuart was a great man; even his shade has more than enough substance to be useful," which would indicate that Sir Stuart's ghost was not Sir Stuart.
2) There's a recent (or recent-ish) WoJ about ghosts that I feel is applicable:
--- Quote ---In the Dresden Files ghosts are not trapped anywhere; they’re something new that had been created. They’ve been created out of memories into the form of something else, so as far as they’re concerned they’re the same person who’s now a ghost, but that’s not the truth of the existence. And when they end, they just sort of end in entropy, they just sort of trail away slowly if they use too much energy. Or if they don’t use much energy, then they just sort of hang around, and they … you know, it’s not much of a life, really. But it’s possible for them to grow and change, to find other sources of energy and become something else, but that’s kind of like, the exceptional ghost that does that, a particularly driven one. Most ghosts just sort of like, wander around and hang out with other ghosts, and they complain about the kids, you know “young’ns these days,” …
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I think the bolded part probably applies to Sir Stuart's ghost, seeing as he's been around for centuries, and that, as Harry showed when he was a ghost, even having a soul doesn't stop one from degrading as a ghost.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 11, 2020, 01:40:52 AM ---@toodeep: Jim pretty specifically stated that ghosts are what are left behind and souls move on. The link to the video is in the first post in this thread. Mort and Sir Stuart were pretty clear that Dresden seemed off for just a ghost. And Harry was given an option because that was the whole point. He was robbed of choice when he "killed" himself. His option wasn't to remain a ghost, but to stay in a pre-judgment part of the afterlife. That isn't avoiding the "final decision." It is delaying it.
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Uriel was teaching Harry a lesson, it was a great risk because it made his soul vulnerable. Harry was alive the whole time, Mab and Alfred kept his body going, he was near death, but as Mab said
he never crossed so far upon the spectrum of death that he couldn't be retrieved.
Bad Alias:
I've read the books and am at least familiar with the basic plot points. He was dead enough that serious supernatural players will now be interested in him. I can't remember if this was told to him by the Gatekeeper in Cold Days or Kringle in Skin Game.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Lea ---Death should be a learning experience, after all, or what’s the point?
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Really love all her dialogue :)
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