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Souls and Ghosts.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 11, 2020, 07:46:08 AM ---I've read the books and am at least familiar with the basic plot points. He was dead enough that serious supernatural players will now be interested in him. I can't remember if this was told to him by the Gatekeeper in Cold Days or Kringle in Skin Game.
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Yeah, but he is not all dead, he is slightly alive... Mab and Alfred kept Harry's body slightly alive, but the same time he was mostly dead, so his soul could take it's walk about.
We don't know how much information either Kringle or Rashid really have. They might not know about the full capabilities of the I.C.U at Demonreach Memorial Hospital or the excellent care he got from Nurse Mab and Nurse Alfred.. Funny, no one mentions Dr Uriel here, bet he was the main reason why Harry never passed beyond the point of no return on the spectrum of death.. All Kringle and Rashid know is Harry was dead and came back to life, they don't know about him being just mostly dead, no one ever went through his pockets to get loose change.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 11, 2020, 12:01:53 PM ---Yeah, but he is not all dead, he is slightly alive... Mab and Alfred kept Harry's body slightly alive, but the same time he was mostly dead, so his soul could take it's walk about.
We don't know how much information either Kringle or Rashid really have. They might not know about the full capabilities of the I.C.U at Demonreach Memorial Hospital or the excellent care he got from Nurse Mab and Nurse Alfred.. Funny, no one mentions Dr Uriel here, bet he was the main reason why Harry never passed beyond the point of no return on the spectrum of death.. All Kringle and Rashid know is Harry was dead and came back to life, they don't know about him being just mostly dead, no one ever went through his pockets to get loose change.
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Vadderung probably knows. He is generally well informed, knows about the isle and was involved in the whole changes thing with Uriel and Mab. As Harry said in Skin Game, I asume you know everything I know. Lea knew as well.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 11, 2020, 01:19:19 PM ---Vadderung probably knows. He is generally well informed, knows about the isle and was involved in the whole changes thing with Uriel and Mab. As Harry said in Skin Game, I asume you know everything I know. Lea knew as well.
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However, here is another question, when Vadderung or Lea say, "you came back from the dead.." Is it because they know it for a fact or are they saying as far as the general population is concerned Harry came back from the dead. Appearances is everything. Truth, Harry was only mostly dead, in fact should have been all dead save for several interventions, beginning with Harry falling into Mab's open arms in the icy water, slowed everything down to the point of suspended animation. Perhaps a few moments before, though no proof, an archangel stirring the air just enough to deflect a speeding bullet just enough, that while massive, the damage to Harry's heart not fatal because the Queen of Winter is there to almost instantaneously apply the big chill. Who knows what life saving
fluids were in those vines from the island? Harry did happen to have the "parasite" as well to act as a heart lung machine while his heart repaired itself... However what the general supernatural public gets is propaganda, Harry died and came back to life... This gives him mystic and a psychological leg up over his enemies and those who he needs to convince to be his allies.
morriswalters:
In a colloquial sense, coming back from the dead means being revived after your heart stops. A head shot would have made the point moot. When and where Kincaid chose to take his shot, and how it turned out, was probably as much to do with Ivy as Uriel. How Kincaid chose to act made it certain that Mab would be in a position to retrieve Harry after the shot, and that the body would go more or less into stasis until she could pick him up. However, once the brain dies, you're ded, dead. Which is how Corpsetaker got locked out.
My head canon is that neither Harry or Corpsetaker were ghosts. I only say this because both were capable of moving back into a body if one was available. We see this when Butters spirit is left outside his body after being forced out by Corpsetaker. On the other hand Sir Stuart doesn't appear to have this option. My internal canon says that Corpsetaker and Kimmler figured out how to encapsulate whatever it is that makes them human and detach it from the body, much as Uriel does to Harry. This in my canon is how they body jump. And if we assume that whoever gets dispossessed is still human, like Luccio, then they encapsulate the soul as well. So Corpsetaker could take a ride on a train.
I assume that ghosts are souls, but that they couldn't move on, and in staying here they lose their individuality. However the dead fish in that thought is that it makes Corpsetaker a soul eater.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I assume that ghosts are souls, but that they couldn't move on, and in staying here they lose their individuality. However the dead fish in that thought is that it makes Corpsetaker a soul eater.
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Nope. There's a WoJ saying specifically that ghosts are not souls.
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