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Souls and Ghosts.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 28, 2019, 06:33:15 AM ---What Lea is saying is that the shade of corpstaker is corpstaker, her essence just like Harry is his essence. It is what corpstaker makes corpstaker. It reflects what Mab and Uriel say about Harry. It can not be more clear.
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She said "like," not "just like." Like: "similar to; in the same way or manner as." Are they alike in that they are non-corporeal or are the alike in that they are soul and spirit? Lea's quote is 50/50 on that count. It can be taken either way. It's hard to come up with another interpretation of the southbound train.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on December 29, 2019, 03:59:24 AM ---She said "like," not "just like." Like: "similar to; in the same way or manner as." Are they alike in that they are non-corporeal or are the alike in that they are soul and spirit? Lea's quote is 50/50 on that count. It can be taken either way. It's hard to come up with another interpretation of the southbound train.
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They are like in:
--- Quote ---she has passed beyond the threshold between life and death
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Not she isgone and this is something else. Lady shade is corpstaker.
She is Harry's godmother and is actually trying to help Harry to understand his own situation. She is really giving as much informaton as she can within her limitations. If you read the whole passage Lea tells about Corpstaker in ghost story which is too big to quote. I do not think a normal ghost can become alive again in the sense that corpstaker tried to do.
toodeep:
I think Jim has been inconsistent with his ghost/soul application. It appears Harry was a ghost that was also running around with a soul. Corpsetaker must have had a soul to go to the "southbound train" at then end of the book, despite the fact that she didn't even really believe in the soul. But she's special because she body jumped and thus may have had her mind/soul already prepped for transfer and thus have kept it in the afterlife.
But we have two data points indicating that all ghosts have souls.
1. Sir Stuart was offered a job by an angel, to work with other souls that we know are only working there until they are "ready" for the next step. The indication from the angel was that Captain Murphy and Carmical (sp) were souls that were currently just working as ghosts before they moved on. Sir Stuart had been a ghost for a very long time, and so to say he still had his soul enough to work with the Murphy gang seems to indicate most ghosts can
2. Harry was given several options at the end - even to stay as a ghost. This shouldn't have been an option if he still had his soul, since it should have had to go on to judgement no matter when his body finally failed.
Honestly, it does appear that ghosts are/have souls and that the final decision can be avoided, though it seems that doing so pretty much dooms one to be a pretty hellish fate as well eventually.
Arjan:
In Ghost story Morty, sir Stuart and Harry actually have a discussion about the topic. Most are just ghosts and some are souls but the difference is nearly impossible to determine. Both have the same problem with thresholds for example.
But Harry could enter holy ground and mere ghosts could not. That is significant.
Also the southbound train is not the only afterlife available. We already have seen Hades who does not get many souls lately but stil gets a few and there are consistent stories of souls who stay here to handle unfinished bussiness.
Any soul with anough power and knowledge can probably stay behind for some time to protects descendants for example which explains ancestor worship.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 10, 2020, 10:10:32 PM ---In Ghost story Morty, sir Stuart and Harry actually have a discussion about the topic. Most are just ghosts and some are souls but the difference is nearly impossible to determine. Both have the same problem with thresholds for example.
But Harry could enter holy ground and mere ghosts could not. That is significant.
Also the southbound train is not the only afterlife available. We already have seen Hades who does not get many souls lately but stil gets a few and there are consistent stories of souls who stay here to handle unfinished bussiness.
Any soul with anough power and knowledge can probably stay behind for some time to protects descendants for example which explains ancestor worship.
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I also think the "choices" Uriel presented, while real, were not the choices open to Harry because he wasn't really dead. Harry chose "what comes next." He thought he was choosing Judgement, but instead he was returned to his body, lessons that Uriel wanted him to learn, learnt.. He was a soul, not a soul with a body, this knowledge later came in handy when Mother Winter had him pinned down.
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