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Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
nadia.skylark:
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-There are probably demons that could manage it.
-A descendent of one of the sneakier gods.
-Someone who has been given power by one of the sneakier gods.
-The Genowska (or however you spell that) wasn't detectable without use of the Sight, except for eating goats.
-Probably other Coin-host pairings could do the same. (maybe the other Rosanna)
-A ghost might be able to--I'm not sure if they can hex things when corporeal, but I don't remember anything about recognizing one that is corporeal if you don't already know it's a ghost.
-Nemesis might be able to prevent mortal hexing and stop other practitioners from recognizing them--it seems like the same kind of "subverting one's nature" as allowing faeries to lie.
-the scion of a skinwalker like Goodman Grey (not by illusion, but shapeshifting)
-maybe Jade Court agents? They're supposed to be good at being sneaky, I think.
-an older version of Molly
-a spirit of intellect might be able to possess someone and qualify
-maybe a rakshasha? Some versions have them good at illusions, and we don't know how detectable they are
morriswalters:
You do realize that this is called making stuff up?
Bad Alias:
Harry knew Grey was a shapeshifter. Harry was surprised that Grey was a scion of a skinwalker. There were four operatives who could have done Grey's job. Maybe they were all shapeshifters, maybe not. But I think the key here is that there are enough excellent shapeshifters that "skinwalker" and "shapeshifter" aren't even close to synonymous.
For all we know, Marling was Grey.
I honestly have no idea what was really going on in Proven Guilty, so I'm not saying it happened this way or that way. The facts are too sparse and the possibilities too broad to have any confidence in just about any theory.
morriswalters:
I doubt that at the advent of Proven Guilty that Goodman Grey was a twinkle in Jim's eye.
--- Quote ---I honestly have no idea what was really going on in Proven Guilty, so I'm not saying it happened this way or that way. The facts are too sparse and the possibilities too broad to have any confidence in just about any theory.
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I'm theory crafting, as such I'm setting bounds to make it fun without being overly complicated. The only thing that screws things up is Mab not hitting on the Reds. The timing is messed up. Jim primes you with the idea that the attack happened recently. It only makes sense if it happens somewhere near the events of Dead Beat.
Some interesting things happen in the books around Proven Guilty, One is that Jim has Luccio's boot camp attacked twice. Once in Proven Guilty and again in White Knight.
--- Quote from: Proven Guilty Chapter 44 --- The Reds had to find a way to draw off some of our heavies and they found it. Luccio’s boot camp.”
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Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 20, 2019, 08:58:11 PM ---I doubt that at the advent of Proven Guilty that Goodman Grey was a twinkle in Jim's eye.
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Yeah, but Butters was supposed to be a one off. It's easy to imagine that Marling was an agent of someone, and Jim didn't have a reason to get more specific than that, or to change it later when he thought it would be fun to bring Grey back in.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 20, 2019, 08:58:11 PM ---I'm theory crafting, as such I'm setting bounds to make it fun without being overly complicated.
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I'm just saying we don't have enough specifics to set bounds that aren't arbitrary. I'm fine with arbitrarily set bounds for the sake of argument. Especially when used to make a specific point.
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