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kbrizzle:
@nadia
While that may be the case (as seen with the Lacuna/ Harry example in CD), imagine what would happen if a Queen puts a geas on the Fae in question - it would severely limit their ability to aid the GC.

Or maybe the Fae are not allowed to make oaths that would allow them to keep big secrets from their Queens. Not to mention, what if the Fae in question is on his/her Queens job when the GC needs their help? A mortal may be able to re-prioritize, it would be much harder for a Fae.

For this reason I think individual Fae may be tertiary allies of the GC, but not on it.

nadia.skylark:

--- Quote ---While that may be the case (as seen with the Lacuna/ Harry example in CD), imagine what would happen if a Queen puts a geas on the Fae in question - it would severely limit their ability to aid the GC.

Or maybe the Fae are not allowed to make oaths that would allow them to keep big secrets from their Queens. Not to mention, what if the Fae in question is on his/her Queens job when the GC needs their help? A mortal may be able to re-prioritize, it would be much harder for a Fae.
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All of your concerns would hold true for any member of the Grey Council who is also a member of another organization. Mortals "may be able to re-prioritize" but there's no reason to count on all of them doing so, and indeed no reason to assume that in every case they would be right to drop everything when the Grey Council says so. I mean, imagine what would have happened if Harry had done as he was ordered and joined the Grey Council for their meeting in Changes?

I think the Grey Council pretty much has to accept that the majority of their members are not, in fact, going to be on call 24/7, and that they have to work around that.

kbrizzle:
@nadia
I guess it’s possible if the Fae in question is able to reconcile the goals of the Grey council with that of its Court & then wishes of the Queen. Given that we don’t really know what the full agenda of the Gray Council is, it’s hard to tell if someone like Eldest Gruff could be on it without violating one of Titania’s many rules (such as helping Harry - could a Summer Fae have shown up at Chichen Itza in Changes without violating Titania’s rule about Harry?)

nadia.skylark:

--- Quote ---I guess it’s possible if the Fae in question is able to reconcile the goals of the Grey council with that of its Court & then wishes of the Queen. Given that we don’t really know what the full agenda of the Gray Council is, it’s hard to tell if someone like Eldest Gruff could be on it without violating one of Titania’s many rules (such as helping Harry - could a Summer Fae have shown up at Chichen Itza in Changes without violating Titania’s rule about Harry?)
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True. I'm pretty sure it was stated that a major goal of the Grey Council was to oppose the Black Council, and since we now know that at least some of what was attributed to the Black Council was actually Nemesis, it seems natural to me that they would have a faerie or two working with them. I like Eldest Gruff for this both because he's a powerful wizard in his own right, and because he has been shown to be trusted by and able to influence Titania, so her interference with him is likely to be minimal.

But you're right, it depends on who knows what about Nemesis and what the Grey Council's other goals may be.

g33k:

--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 26, 2019, 05:35:55 PM --- ... I like Eldest Gruff for this both because he's a powerful wizard in his own right, and because he has been shown to be trusted by and able to influence Titania, so her interference with him is likely to be minimal...
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How about Big T as the "member" of the GC, but E.Gruff as her proxy, the one who "mostly" shows up, when showing-up is called for?
 

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