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Who is on the Grey Council?
g33k:
I am not seeing Eldest Gruff on the GC (or any other Faerie who isn't the head of their own Court). Any of them, even Eldest Gruff, could be commanded by their respective Queen(s) to spill GC secrets or even betray the GC utterly; AFAICT the Fae give their monarchs absolute obedience to any direct order, and that's too huge a security hole.
OTOH, I could see Eldest Gruff on the GC if Titania and/or Mother Summer was on it the GC.
groinkick:
Goodman Grey..... Because his last name says so.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on May 23, 2019, 02:54:37 PM ---I am not seeing Eldest Gruff on the GC (or any other Faerie who isn't the head of their own Court). Any of them, even Eldest Gruff, could be commanded by their respective Queen(s) to spill GC secrets or even betray the GC utterly; AFAICT the Fae give their monarchs absolute obedience to any direct order, and that's too huge a security hole.
OTOH, I could see Eldest Gruff on the GC if Titania and/or Mother Summer was on it the GC.
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I don't see a formal structure to the GC. And common goals don't mean common agendas. Maybe a small council of peers. Mother Summer once asks Harry if he thought that Mab spent all of her time dealing with back stabbing courtiers. At least on the surface that would infer that the Fae all don't always dance to the tune of the Queens.
kbrizzle:
I don’t think Fae can really join the Grey Council - as g33k points out, they are not free-willed enough to allow the GC to accomplish its goals in secrecy. Odin is shown to be a member, not Kringle. Also, most Fae aren’t allowed to meddle in mortal affairs without express cause - that’s what they have the Knights for.
I took the Grey Council to mean mortal, or mortal-ish wizards & their allies. Being able to go to fight at Chichen Itza last minute (they wouldn’t have come if Harry didn’t tell Eb that’s where he was heading a couple of hours before he got there) requires free will & an ability to act with impunity. Lea is only able to go because Mab gives her permission & because the Reds had insulted her by giving her the athame - there is a reason Mab doesn’t send a small army with Lea to assist Harry.
Therefore, the ones who make the most sense as being on the GC are the wizards Eb summons before the WC meeting in SK before Harry’s trial (since he trusts them) - Martha Liberty & Injun Joe. Odin is clearly a member as well. I think Chandler & Ramirez are too junior to be on it - Harry is likely the junior-most person on the GC (as far as he is on it).
@groinkick
I like that idea, although I’m sure he would’ve mentioned to Harry that he was at Chichen Itza (which would’ve made Harry trust him more). No reason he can’t join post-SG though.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I am not seeing Eldest Gruff on the GC (or any other Faerie who isn't the head of their own Court). Any of them, even Eldest Gruff, could be commanded by their respective Queen(s) to spill GC secrets or even betray the GC utterly; AFAICT the Fae give their monarchs absolute obedience to any direct order, and that's too huge a security hole.
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Not necessarily. If a faerie swears an oath not to reveal the Grey Council's secrets, I don't think even the Queens can make them break their word.
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