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How was Demonreach filled?
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDragonFire on April 18, 2019, 11:40:45 PM ---Surely all the entities would eventually work out nto to go there?
It doesn't seem likely that it was just 'getting them there'...
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I'm sure it isn't, but then again because there has been no Warden of the island in a long time, so who knows? Remember though the original creator and most likely Warden was Merlin, himself, he would have the tools to get them too the island... But leave no doubt from the degree of Mab's fright as Alfred moved towards her, he is capable... She is almost as powerful as any of the monsters in the place already.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 18, 2019, 06:53:08 PM ---Jim says that Demonreach was injured by glaciation. The would have meant that it was there for some span of time before the glaciers retreated, somewhere around 11000 years or so ago. And they were there for about 2 million years before that. This could be misdirection by Jim.
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Demonreach (the genius loci, not the prison complex) wasn't created by Merlin, though, if I remember correctly. Genius Loci are spiritual manifestations of a powerful piece of land, so I would expect that Demonreach predates Merlin's prison. And a manifestation of the land would bear whatever scars the land receives. I think Merlin picked the island because it had a reasonably powerful genius loci, and co-opted its purpose, if that makes sense. So damage to the island millennia in the past doesn't necessarily indicate that the prison complex was there.
That aside, I think it's pretty obvious that Demonreach is special where genius loci are concerned; Morgan is particularly surprised to find out that it has intellectus, for example, and I assume that the extra power, and the fact that it can physically manifest itself is a side-effect of sitting in a place of such absurd power.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 18, 2019, 06:53:08 PM ---Bob says the magic used to create it makes magic as Harry knows it primitive by comparison. Merlin predates Harry by about a thousand years. Yet he time travels at will, creates Demonreach and who knows what else. Somewhere, somehow, Merlin had access to magic he shouldn't have had. Either wizards devolved or he had some very potent help.
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I've thought this, too. Merlin's description in-universe is so out of line with what we know that wizards can accomplish, even super-powerful ones like Kemmler, that it doesn't really make sense on paper. I suppose it's possible that Merlin was just particularly buff in terms of magical skill, but some of the things attributed to him—particularly Demonreach—just seem to be beyond what a wizard should be able to do. He either had some kind of sponsor (as in a Pact for Power from some higher entity—Odin, maybe; he would've been significantly more powerful back when he had active worshipers, I think, so maybe he could've helped pull things off), worked with a team (of Senior Council-level or higher wizards) to do some of these things, or something else I can't think of.
And yeah, that's what I meant in my original post; it's possible that some of the things imprisoned under Demonreach haven't even been created yet—in that they've been captured in the future and imprisoned in the past.
morriswalters:
Bob says Merlin created the prison in five different times at once. My internal speculation is the number five refers to some kind of pentagram. Possibly a magical containment circle drawn through time. As to Demonreach I don't know.
As to the magic that created the island, JB appears to be doing some slight of hand. Jim says that the prison holds dark gods, which makes it unlikely that Vadderung was ever strong enough to put them there, but not impossible. However he has created a a second talking head in Bonea. She's interesting because of what she could know, she's the scion of the shadow of a fallen angel. She has been gestating since White Knight. She is the biggest plot device in the books. It is in the realm of possibility to believe she is the source of the advanced magic in the DV. ?shrug?
groinkick:
My guess is he had help, a lot of help. Odin, Mab, Mothers, Hades, Zeus, Uriel..... I'm not saying they did all the leg work, but probably helped tilt the scale so he could get the job done.
LordDragonFire:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 19, 2019, 03:19:15 PM ---I'm sure it isn't, but then again because there has been no Warden of the island in a long time, so who knows? Remember though the original creator and most likely Warden was Merlin, himself, he would have the tools to get them too the island... But leave no doubt from the degree of Mab's fright as Alfred moved towards her, he is capable... She is almost as powerful as any of the monsters in the place already.
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If Merlin could force them there, he'd have been powerful enough to arrest them outright.
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