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Kindler:
I've been thinking about what we know about Merlin and Demonreach, based on a Reddit thread from a few days ago. One of the questions I have about it that's been bugging me lately is:

How did all of those entities (things, creatures, monsters, demigods, whatever) get imprisoned there? Was there some other kind of prison complex that Merlin took over? Did the Senior Council and Various Allies endeavor to capture the worst of the worst and hold them? Did Merlin personally capture all of those things? Did the previous Wardens seek out new inmates as part of their job? Was there some kind of ritual that trapped them all there simultaneously?

Being a prison built across time, I have zero clue how to really think about it. Were the prisoners, from our perspective, always there? Was there ever an observable (by humans, meaning the past... five thousand years, call it) time when Demonreach wasn't built, or wasn't full of evil things, or both? In fact, did Merlin deliberately drag entities across time to imprison them at some point in the past or their future? Is it possible that Merlin (or another Warden, or whoever) actually imprisoned things that haven't even been born/created yet from Dresden's perspective?

Demonreach has a whole lot of mystery to it, but this is the stuff I want to know the most right now.

morriswalters:
I have thought about it some.  Depending on how you roll it, you can't have old gods without worshipers.  The same would be true for skin walkers.  So no humans, no so called gods or devils. 

Jim says that Demonreach was injured by glaciation.  The would have meant that it was there for some span of time before the glaciers retreated, somewhere around 11000 years or so ago.  And they were there for about 2 million years before that.  This could be misdirection by Jim.

Bob says the magic used to create it makes magic as Harry knows it primitive by comparison.  Merlin predates Harry by about a thousand years.  Yet he time travels at will, creates Demonreach and who knows what else.  Somewhere, somehow, Merlin had access to magic he shouldn't have had.  Either wizards devolved or he had some very potent help. 

Angels use wards.  This comes up when Lash still in action.  She was discussing the nature of the wards on Michael's panic room.  Odin's magic is Rune based.  To the best of my memory those are the only advanced forms of magic that we have had a glimpse of.

Almost certainly the circle on Demonreach could contain a god.  Mab certainly seems to have thought so. One way to get them there would have been to invoke them, much in the same way Harry invoked the Erlking.  But  you might have to know their true names.  Oh yeah, they might also need to be in this universe.

That's all I got.

As a point of speculation, if you wanted a good WTF moment, you could consider that rather than being captured in the past they might have been captured in the future and sent to the past.  Like in that big trilogy at the end.

prince lotore:
I have believed that no one has used demonreach for a while.  with the idea that the heavy hitters of the fallen not knowing what it was when they used it and shagnasty not having an issue showing up at a place for a trade where a bunch of his brothers were being held makes me believe that the last time it was used was before that ice age

Mira:

    I think the problem is getting them there, once there it is pretty clear that Alfred can handle them.
Remember in Cold Days, Harry gave the word and he began to move on Mab in Cold Days, Harry reminded her that if he gave the word, Alfred could put her away, she didn't argue the point and seemed frightened... 

LordDragonFire:

--- Quote from: Mira on April 18, 2019, 08:29:53 PM ---    I think the problem is getting them there, once there it is pretty clear that Alfred can handle them.
Remember in Cold Days, Harry gave the word and he began to move on Mab in Cold Days, Harry reminded her that if he gave the word, Alfred could put her away, she didn't argue the point and seemed frightened...

--- End quote ---
Surely all the entities would eventually work out nto to go there?

It doesn't seem likely that it was just 'getting them there'...

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