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How was Demonreach filled?

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Kindler:

--- Quote from: dspringer1 on May 07, 2019, 08:57:37 PM ---the White council is only a few thousand years old. 


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Even less, I think. Didn't Merlin create the White Council from "the ashes of the Roman Empire?" We're talking 400 AD (if "ashes" refers to "significantly reduced influence") or 476 (if "ashes" refers to "the point at which the Emperor was overthrown by a 'barbarian' leader"). So figure around 500-550 AD for Merlin to have definitely formed the White Council as it is today.

kbrizzle:
@groinkick
I really like the idea of the prison on Demonreach being in the Nevernever, however I would point out that Harry never pierced any kind of veil that separates the mortal world like he always does when he gets into the NN. I guess one could argue that the oddly geometric number & shape of the steps as well as the age of the island could make it so there is a unique entrance to the NN.

@g33k
I believe it is pointed out a few times that the island is the well from which a lot of the Ley lines begin - this is a result of the island siphoning off energy from its prisoners. (There must be some ridiculously heavy hitters down there).

@BrainFireBob
Completely agree - that’s where I’m leaning too.

@dspringer
Were the Dragons ever the guardians at the Gates? I believe there is an obscure WoJ that Dragons were in charge of stuff like moving the continental plates & such.

@Kindler
Yes I recall Harry saying that he created it from the ashes of the Roman Empire, which explains Latin as their court language. This would point to the WC being ~1500-1600 years old.

Also since Merlin created the island in 5 different times at once, wouldn’t the first Warden be in the AD era (as opposed to BC) era?  While the island is incredibly old, it doesn’t mean that there has been a Warden on it the whole time.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 20, 2019, 08:02:19 AM ---Bob says Merlin created the prison in five different times at once.  My internal speculation is the number five refers to some kind of pentagram.

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Hadn't noticed that.


--- Quote from: toodeep on May 01, 2019, 03:57:17 PM ---I would think that it might have been possible if you designed Demonreach to keep things that happened on it secret, and then did a lot of summoning and trapping.

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There is evidence of this in Skin Game. Anduriel cannot see what's happening on the island while there is a Warden present. Odin/Kringle isn't powerful enough to do that. Mab is, but it seems to me that her ability to "hide" from Anduriel is limited in some manner because she waits until they are a certain distance from Nicodemus to speak "openly" to Harry.

If dark gods are being trapped, I'd assume there is an active Warden. If there is an active Warden, then a member of perhaps the most powerful class of creatures in the DresdenVerse we've seen, whose specialty is spying, cannot see what's happening there. I'd say it's very likely that if a creature is summoned and trapped on Demonreach, then those acts would be unknown to almost every creature in the DresdenVerse who isn't either there or informed of the event.

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