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Curious passage in Summer Knight. Justin evidence?
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDragonFire on April 07, 2019, 07:02:50 AM ---When was it said that Justin was a skilled necromancer?
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I don't think it was ever said that he was... However Bob did have the knowledge and his memories at that point in time were not blocked. Having said that, could Justin have risen himself from the dead? Is there a way to do that? Or the only logical possibility is Elaine was still enthralled and had been given the knowledge by Justin at some point, she could have done it.. However that doesn't make any sense since it is doubtful that the wardens would have left Justin's remains behind when they nabbed Harry. But then again, Peabody comes to mind if he had the knowledge and was doing his traitor bit that long ago.
groinkick:
another thing to consider is that when Harry threatened to use his death curse, Kumori told him that Cowl had survived them before.... Although Justin wasn't hit with a death curse by Harry, if Justin is Cowl it would show that he may have ways of returning from death, or near death. Cowl was also scarred up on his arms, perhaps burn scars?
I also wonder if Simon knew of Justin being alive (kept it secret because like Eb he loved his apprentice), and realized at the last moment he'd been betrayed. The death curse he used to kill the Red Nobles could also have been aimed at Cowl who defended against it.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on April 05, 2019, 09:28:08 PM ---I would have to check to make sure, but I'm pretty sure they found a body in the wreckage. Doesn't Bob specify in either Fool Moon or Summer Knight that Elaine is alive because they only found one body?
Also, yeah, Cowl very much acts like someone who's never met Harry, not someone who raised him for several years and lost a duel to him.
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I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that only one body was recovered from the ashes of Justin's home. Plus, Harry wouldn't have had nearly as much of a stain on him when the Wardens examined him if he'd swung at Justin and missed.
I do wonder about the possibility of Justin preserving something of himself as a backseat driver who can manage occasional control over Elaine, though. Might rationalize her being Kumori, although I'm still not sure how she ends up on the opposite side of White Night from Cowl if she is.
Mira:
--- Quote ---another thing to consider is that when Harry threatened to use his death curse, Kumori told him that Cowl had survived them before.... Although Justin wasn't hit with a death curse by Harry, if Justin is Cowl it would show that he may have ways of returning from death, or near death. Cowl was also scarred up on his arms, perhaps burn scars?
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Yeah, but the way I understand it, a "death curse" is the curse that a wizard throws at someone with his or her dying breath.. If you receive it it doesn't mean you will die on the spot.. Lord Raith didn't, heck, Harry didn't, [though Cassius wasn't a wizard] he was only doomed to die alone, not immediately.. Actually I think a death curse can be a number of things like cursing someone with purple warts on his or her nose for life..
Yuillegan:
I was going to respond to a lot of this, then ended up writing up a massive theory. I will link it: https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53047.0.html
--- Quote from: Mira on April 08, 2019, 11:07:41 AM --- Yeah, but the way I understand it, a "death curse" is the curse that a wizard throws at someone with his or her dying breath.. If you receive it it doesn't mean you will die on the spot.. Lord Raith didn't, heck, Harry didn't, [though Cassius wasn't a wizard] he was only doomed to die alone, not immediately.. Actually I think a death curse can be a number of things like cursing someone with purple warts on his or her nose for life..
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Yes, they do but the act kills them - it is all the energy they have left. But depending on how they can use that energy based on talent, skill and knowledge the difference might be between killing an individual or a room and nuking a small fortress (like Simon). Frequently described by Harry as being able to level several city blocks (see Grave Peril I think). While technically it doesn't mean you will die (the "Death" in Death Curse is about the caster dying, not the target), it is all about what you use that last spell for. So if all you can manage is purple warts or die alone, sucks to be you. Because some like Margaret Le Fay realise that you can do a lot more with it, like shut down an enemies power when you can't kill them.
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