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Curious passage in Summer Knight. Justin evidence?
groinkick:
In Summer Knight when Eb, Martha, Listen's to Wind, and Harry were first meeting up, there was discussion about the attack on Archangel.
"Let them in?" Ebenezar breathed. "Treachery? But even if it was true, it would have to be someone who knew his defenses inside and out."
Martha glanced at me, then back to Ebenezar. Something passed between them in that look but I couldn't tell what.
"No," Ebenezar said. "That's insane."
"Master to student. You know what the Wardens will say."
Ok so what I'm gathering from this conversation is that Martha is suggesting Harry provided the information on the defenses. That Justin, an apprentice of Simon taught Harry, his apprentice, and Harry supplied it to the Red Court.
Either that or she's suggesting that Justin is alive which is why Eb said it was insane to suggest.
Either way, Justin is the key here. He was an apprentice of Simon, and Martha suspecting Harry means he may not have had any more apprentices that could be suspects. Justin is believed dead, leaving only Harry. However if Justin were not dead..... He'd know the defenses of Archangel as Martha pointed out "master to apprentice"
Yuillegan:
I agree. I have used this passage to support my theory that Justin is not dead, and further is in fact Cowl. I am sure I am not the only one. For more reasons than I care to name right now, it is very likely Justin is not gone. The books have put some emphasis on the distinction about being dead and being gone.
I may rewrite that theory when I am a tad less busy but yes I think Justin will return to the stage, one way or another.
LordDragonFire:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 04, 2019, 07:34:08 AM ---I agree. I have used this passage to support my theory that Justin is not dead, and further is in fact Cowl. I am sure I am not the only one. For more reasons than I care to name right now, it is very likely Justin is not gone. The books have put some emphasis on the distinction about being dead and being gone.
I may rewrite that theory when I am a tad less busy but yes I think Justin will return to the stage, one way or another.
--- End quote ---
If Justin was Cowl, wouldn't Cowl have been far more willing to kill or otherwise put Harry down in DB?
Harry did burn his house down and cost him Bob and this thralls.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on April 04, 2019, 05:44:35 AM ---In Summer Knight when Eb, Martha, Listen's to Wind, and Harry were first meeting up, there was discussion about the attack on Archangel.
"Let them in?" Ebenezar breathed. "Treachery? But even if it was true, it would have to be someone who knew his defenses inside and out."
Martha glanced at me, then back to Ebenezar. Something passed between them in that look but I couldn't tell what.
"No," Ebenezar said. "That's insane."
"Master to student. You know what the Wardens will say."
Ok so what I'm gathering from this conversation is that Martha is suggesting Harry provided the information on the defenses. That Justin, an apprentice of Simon taught Harry, his apprentice, and Harry supplied it to the Red Court.
Either that or she's suggesting that Justin is alive which is why Eb said it was insane to suggest.
Either way, Justin is the key here. He was an apprentice of Simon, and Martha suspecting Harry means he may not have had any more apprentices that could be suspects. Justin is believed dead, leaving only Harry. However if Justin were not dead..... He'd know the defenses of Archangel as Martha pointed out "master to apprentice"
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Yeah, that's basically exactly what LaFortier suggests in the meeting. It's part of the reason people suspect Simon is Cowl.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: LordDragonFire on April 04, 2019, 08:48:45 AM ---If Justin was Cowl, wouldn't Cowl have been far more willing to kill or otherwise put Harry down in DB?
Harry did burn his house down and cost him Bob and this thralls.
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Not if you take a coldly practical approach toward things. Justin wouldn't blame Harry for defending himself because Justin would do the same in Harry's shoes. As long as Harry isn't a threat to his plans, Harry doesn't need to be eliminated. It also remains possible that Harry will someday in the future come around to Justin's way of thinking and join his side, so again, unless Harry poses a threat (or too much of an inconvenience), there is no reason to eliminate him.
The other big Justin evidence is Elaine surviving. The enthrallment spell on Elaine wouldn't break until after Justin dies. How does a half-trained wizard come out of enthrallment, survive a fire that killed her master, avoid the White Council when she doesn't even know they exist (Harry learned about it from Bob) and find her way to Faerie? It seems likely Justin escaped the fire by opening a way to the NeverNever and taking Elaine with him. He then used the fire as an opportunity to fake his death. He took Elaine to the Summer Court and basically sold her to Summer in exchange for protection for her and assistance in hiding the fact he survived from the Council.
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