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Curious passage in Summer Knight. Justin evidence?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on April 04, 2019, 10:28:03 PM ---The enthrallment spell on Elaine wouldn't break until after Justin dies.
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What are you basing this on? To my knowledge, this is just plain not something the series has established.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on April 05, 2019, 04:14:48 AM ---What are you basing this on? To my knowledge, this is just plain not something the series has established.
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Admittedly, that was just an assumption based on my general understanding of how magic has worked in the books. Are you suggesting it would break before he dies? Or that Justin's death wouldn't be sufficient to break the spell? I suppose those are possible, but they seem less likely to me to be the way enthrallment would work in the DV.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on April 05, 2019, 04:00:16 PM ---Admittedly, that was just an assumption based on my general understanding of how magic has worked in the books. Are you suggesting it would break before he dies? Or that Justin's death wouldn't be sufficient to break the spell? I suppose those are possible, but they seem less likely to me to be the way enthrallment would work in the DV.
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I just don't think Justin's life and the enthrallment are linked.
The only example we have that I can think of where an "My death ends the spell" effect is in play (the curse on Papa Raith), has been something that's specifically noted as clever and unusual, so I don't think it's the norm.
So, yes, I think Elaine could have escaped the enthrallment if she was strong enough; on the other side of it, she might have needed counseling and some kind of help to escape its lingering effects (like how Peabody's victims needed work done on them, even though he's dead).
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on April 05, 2019, 04:56:19 PM ---The only example we have that I can think of where an "My death ends the spell" effect is in play (the curse on Papa Raith), has been something that's specifically noted as clever and unusual, so I don't think it's the norm.
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That was noted as clever and unusual precisely because Margaret Le Fey got around the restriction that the curse should not have lasted past her death.
Typically death curses are one-shots, likely because enchantments can't normally survive the caster's death (or sunrise/sunset). Cassius' death-curse is arguably a counter-example, but I still consider that a one-shot. It only takes effect once - at Harry's death. Cassius wasn't able to curse Harry to "live alone," because that would be an ongoing effect that would need to be sustained.
Honestly, the RPG probably has the answer to this question.
Mr. Death:
Even besides that, the idea that it was or could have been linked to Harry and Thomas's lives was unusual, such that even though Lord Raith knew that it was an ongoing effect, he didn't know it was linked to either of them until they said so in front of him.
And if I remember correctly, Harry has to ask whether linking a spell to someone's life is possible, so again, it does not seem to be an expected norm.
The way I think it works is, enthrallment isn't an effect stemming continuously from the caster -- it's an effect you place on the person being enthralled. One that, effectively, rewrites or changes something in their mind to make them obey you.
So, to my thinking, it's not, "While under the effects of this ongoing spell, you will obey me," but "I'm altering your brain so that you will obey me."
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