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Curious passage in Summer Knight. Justin evidence?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on April 05, 2019, 08:34:40 PM ---Those are all good comments. I think I've been imagining the enthrallment as too much of a "puppet master" spell than it actually is. But if Justin's death didn't end the enthrallment, does that mean Elaine is still suffering from permanent changes to her way of thinking?
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Probably! After all, Molly's victims are probably going to be feeling the effects of what she did the rest of their lives, too.
--- Quote ---On retrospect, if Elaine ran from the fire early in the battle, it is also possible she could escape the White Council. The White Council would be on the hunt for Harry and would have his magic signature to use to find him. However, they wouldn't know Elaine existed and the fire could have cleansed the signs of any magic Elaine had used. Since Leah was hanging around watching over Harry, there also could have been someone from Summer hanging around who swooped in to take advantage of Elaine's situation.
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Would make sense, with the whole Winter/Summer mirroring aspect.
--- Quote ---But, I do still think Justin escaping into the NN with Elaine is quite possible. Elaine may have run from the fire, but she could have just as easily stuck around fighting an internal battle against enthrallment as to whether she would help Justin or Harry. If the latter happened, Justin could still have opened a way to the NN, taken Elaine with him, then gone to summer and struck a deal for the two of them, in which he basically indebted Elaine to Summer in exchange for Summer's help in hiding the fact he is still alive from the WC. The theory is still viable, although less likely.
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I would have to check to make sure, but I'm pretty sure they found a body in the wreckage. Doesn't Bob specify in either Fool Moon or Summer Knight that Elaine is alive because they only found one body?
Also, yeah, Cowl very much acts like someone who's never met Harry, not someone who raised him for several years and lost a duel to him.
exartiem:
There is at least one WOJ where he has stated categorically that Justin is dead, with an emphasis on DEAD. However, as established especially in Dead Beat and Ghost Story, being dead does not necessarily mean you are out of the game.
I find it very unlikely that a schemer like Justin would be caught without a backup plan. Elaine was in Justin's thrall for quite some time. Plenty of time for him to prepare her in some way.
1: Justin could be riding along or controlling Elaine, a la Corpsetaker. She might be aware, or not. He could be hiding in her subconscious and only controlling her when she sleeps. Justin could have informed the RCV then.
2: Justin is a spirit, a la Evil Bob and Kravos. He was well versed in necromancy. He could have communicated to the RCV through an Ectomancer (I doubt Mort is the only one of those).
3: Justin used necromancy to make himself into a litch. Harry said, IIRC, that Cowl's magic felt somewhat familiar, but dark and twisted. This seems to fit.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: exartiem on April 05, 2019, 11:34:22 PM ---There is at least one WOJ where he has stated categorically that Justin is dead, with an emphasis on DEAD.
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He has also said that there are two pieces of misinformation that he has put out purposely.......
peregrine:
--- Quote from: exartiem on April 05, 2019, 11:34:22 PM ---2: Justin is a spirit, a la Evil Bob and Kravos. He was well versed in necromancy.
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Was he? He had Bob, but I don't recall anything mentioning him being especially versed in necromancy.
LordDragonFire:
--- Quote from: exartiem on April 05, 2019, 11:34:22 PM ---There is at least one WOJ where he has stated categorically that Justin is dead, with an emphasis on DEAD. However, as established especially in Dead Beat and Ghost Story, being dead does not necessarily mean you are out of the game.
I find it very unlikely that a schemer like Justin would be caught without a backup plan. Elaine was in Justin's thrall for quite some time. Plenty of time for him to prepare her in some way.
1: Justin could be riding along or controlling Elaine, a la Corpsetaker. She might be aware, or not. He could be hiding in her subconscious and only controlling her when she sleeps. Justin could have informed the RCV then.
2: Justin is a spirit, a la Evil Bob and Kravos. He was well versed in necromancy. He could have communicated to the RCV through an Ectomancer (I doubt Mort is the only one of those).
3: Justin used necromancy to make himself into a litch. Harry said, IIRC, that Cowl's magic felt somewhat familiar, but dark and twisted. This seems to fit.
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When was it said that Justin was a skilled necromancer?
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