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Is there anything Mab can't command Harry to do? (Getting out of the WK idea.)
exartiem:
Harry put Mab in her place in Cold Days by telling her that if she forced him, he would obey her. He stated that he would do exactly what she ordered and not one iota more. It turns out she didn't like this idea. Mab would be costing herself and ally in favor of just another servant.
She could make him do anything, physically. The question is whether she is willing to accept the consequences of doing so.
peregrine:
Yeah, Mab has that last deal going on where if she requests something of him and he does it, that's it.
Of course, now that he's Winter Knight, she doesn't have to request anything of him, she can just outright command it.
Of course, once he inevitably gets out of Winter Knighthood, there's that third favor he still owes her.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Of course, now that he's Winter Knight, she doesn't have to request anything of him, she can just outright command it.
--- End quote ---
Well, she can't command anything. We know she can't command him to harm those he loves, and I've theorized that there are commands that he can refuse without Mab even having the option to force him to obey (namely, killing people unaffiliated with the Courts and outright lying).
Does anyone else have ideas for things Mab can't command him to do, or things she can't try to force him to do if he refuses her command?
groinkick:
I don't think she can command Harry to use wizard magic. I believe she can control his physical body, and use of Winter ice magic. Wizard magic requires real belief to do. So Harry would become no different than any other Winter Knight, losing his value to Mab.
There could be one thing that gives Harry more free will. The Fallen's words that lead to Harry becoming the Winter Knight, and having Kincaid shoot him, caused his lack of free will. To balance the scales, Uriel gave his free will back. Harry, unlike other Winter Knights may have a form of angelic protection from Mab's total control over him. But I'm not sure. Even Harry admitted that Mab could make him a meat puppet but it would make him virtually useless to her.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 25, 2019, 10:40:56 PM ---Here's the WoJ:
So it sounds like both deals are still in effect, it's just that the Winter Knight deal is so much bigger that the three favors deal is mostly irrelevant (outside specific circumstances that we're discussing).
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I was talking about a quote where Jim was talking about the third favor ending his obligation to Mab. I might be wrong, and that never happened, but Jim does contradict himself. For example, he said that Harry could perform the Darkhallow because he looked at Kemmler's book with his Sight. That's not what happened. Also, Jim has said he has lied. If he plans of Harry getting out of his deal by Mab asking a favor, someone asks him about it, then he might throw out some disinformation.
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