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Is there anything Mab can't command Harry to do? (Getting out of the WK idea.)
Mira:
--- Quote from: exartiem on February 25, 2019, 11:14:51 PM ---Harry put Mab in her place in Cold Days by telling her that if she forced him, he would obey her. He stated that he would do exactly what she ordered and not one iota more. It turns out she didn't like this idea. Mab would be costing herself and ally in favor of just another servant.
She could make him do anything, physically. The question is whether she is willing to accept the consequences of doing so.
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Yes, because she can force him to do as she orders him to do.. However that would get her the same kind of crappy knight she's had for the last thousand years or so... That isn't what she wants.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I don't think she can command Harry to use wizard magic. I believe she can control his physical body, and use of Winter ice magic. Wizard magic requires real belief to do. So Harry would become no different than any other Winter Knight, losing his value to Mab.
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This makes a lot of sense.
--- Quote ---There could be one thing that gives Harry more free will. The Fallen's words that lead to Harry becoming the Winter Knight, and having Kincaid shoot him, caused his lack of free will. To balance the scales, Uriel gave his free will back. Harry, unlike other Winter Knights may have a form of angelic protection from Mab's total control over him. But I'm not sure. Even Harry admitted that Mab could make him a meat puppet but it would make him virtually useless to her.
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I'm not sure...I think what Uriel did was tell Harry a bit of "cosmic" level truth, rather than giving him any particular power. Knowing he has free will will certainly help him keep it, but I think it's sort of like Lea's magic feather trick.
--- Quote ---I was talking about a quote where Jim was talking about the third favor ending his obligation to Mab.
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Do you think you could dig up the quote/source? I've never seen this one.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 26, 2019, 06:23:48 PM ---Do you think you could dig up the quote/source? I've never seen this one.
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No. I'm not very good at finding WoJ. Also, I might be remembering something that didn't happen. If you want a quote from a book, I'm usually pretty good at finding that.
Snark Knight:
I'm not actually sure Mab agreed to the condition not to order him to kill any loved ones. She said the Knight's job is to kill who he's told to kill, and then they moved on to discussing other clauses without actually resolving that disagreement. I figure she just knows giving that order would be an immediate path into him turning into a deliberately useless mediocre knight, so she wouldn't go there unless she absolutely had to (e.g. if someone Harry cared about was Nemfected).
As for his paralysis returning when he disregarded winter law, that doesn't necessarily mean she welched on the promise to outright fix him. Even if she did grant him a 100% good-as-new, lasting fix, she also didn't promise not to paralyze him again later as a means of discipline.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---As for his paralysis returning when he disregarded winter law, that doesn't necessarily mean she welched on the promise to outright fix him. Even if she did grant him a 100% good-as-new, lasting fix, she also didn't promise not to paralyze him again later as a means of discipline.
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Or make him think that he was paralyzed when he wasn't.
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