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Did Michael lie?
Bad Alias:
@Mira: Statement 3 is a false statement, and that's all I was saying. A false statement is not a lie. I wouldn't even say a lie is an intentionally false statement. A lie is an intentionally false statement intended to deceive.
I think you're pushing it with statement 1. It's laid out as a statement of fact. There isn't any give to it. Statement 2 has plenty of give. Statement 3 almost excludes statement 1 from possibility. Statement 4 leaves our statement 1, but could be an unstated acknowledgement that Harry still has his magic.
I don't think Michael lied because of who Jim wanted him to be. The perfect paladin. So I think the most likely explanations are the ones I gave earlier.
@Morris: I'd agree with you if it weren't for statement 3. It's very hard to have that next to statement 1.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I don't think Michael lied because of who Jim wanted him to be. The perfect paladin.
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Remember, Jim also wanted Michael to be human. It's shown explicitly in "The Warrior" when Uriel says that without Harry's help Michael would have made the wrong choice because his child had been hurt.
I can believe that Michael would lie because he thought that it was the only way to save Harry's soul--and I believe that he could be (and was) wrong about that.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 15, 2019, 01:33:27 AM ---In Proven Guilty, Michael says that Harry can get rid of Lasciel's shadow by giving up his power. Then, when Harry turns him down, Michael says that he has faith that Harry will find another way to be rid of Lasciel's shadow. However, in Small Favor Michael claims that there is no way to be rid of a shadow of the Fallen, and uses this as a justification for believing that Harry set up a little girl to be tortured.
Am I misremembering/misunderstanding, or is this an outright lie about a major issue by the series' resident paladin?
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Him saying that there is no way to rid themselves of the Shadow is factoring in that Harry will not give up his magic. So he wasn't lying. Also Harry never did rid himself of her. She sacrificed herself resulting in her departure. We know that people can get rid of the shadow as everyone who has given up the Coin has none. The shadow is tied to the magical power a wizard possesses. So that is what Michael was talking about.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 16, 2019, 02:25:21 AM ---Him saying that there is no way to rid themselves of the Shadow is factoring in that Harry will not give up his magic. So he wasn't lying. Also Harry never did rid himself of her. She sacrificed herself resulting in her departure. We know that people can get rid of the shadow as everyone who has given up the Coin has none. The shadow is tied to the magical power a wizard possesses. So that is what Michael was talking about.
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Harry didn't rid himself of Lasciel's shadow, true, so the suggestions that Michael was giving him were based on Michael's own beliefs, not on lies.. Also facts that Michael knows, no one has ever rid themselves of the shadow of a Fallen. What Harry did that changed the whole ball game, is not merely resisting, but eventually changing the shadow of Lasciel into Lash. Lash to came to love him enough to sacrifice herself for him. This had never happened before in the whole history of the coins etc.
Mr. Death:
Point of fact, Michael does not say he has faith Harry will find another way to get rid of the Shadow. The exchange goes:
--- Quote ---“I don’t know of another way to end Lasciel’s influence, but that
doesn’t mean there isn’t one out there. If you should change your
mind about the coin, Harry, if you want to get rid of it, I promise that
I’ll be there for you.”
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So the closest he comes is a shrugging admission that there might be another way and that he will help Harry if Harry decides to ditch the coin in the terms Michael has laid out.
Also, Michael isn't omniscient -- that's kind of the point Harry makes in Small Favor. Michael is working from biased, incomplete information.
He knows Harry grabbed the coin and got the Shadow.
The only way he knows of to get rid of the Shadow is for Harry to give up his magic.
Harry has not given up his magic. He has given the coin to Forthill, but Michael also knows the Denarians can summon their coins back and otherwise have found ways to get them back into circulation.
Also, Harry has been acting particularly odd lately (no blasting rod, not using fire).
Ergo, to the best of Michael's knowledge, Harry still has the Shadow, and the Shadow is most likely influencing him.
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