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Did Michael lie?
nadia.skylark:
In Proven Guilty, Michael says that Harry can get rid of Lasciel's shadow by giving up his power. Then, when Harry turns him down, Michael says that he has faith that Harry will find another way to be rid of Lasciel's shadow. However, in Small Favor Michael claims that there is no way to be rid of a shadow of the Fallen, and uses this as a justification for believing that Harry set up a little girl to be tortured.
Am I misremembering/misunderstanding, or is this an outright lie about a major issue by the series' resident paladin?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 15, 2019, 01:33:27 AM ---In Proven Guilty, Michael says that Harry can get rid of Lasciel's shadow by giving up his power. Then, when Harry turns him down, Michael says that he has faith that Harry will find another way to be rid of Lasciel's shadow. However, in Small Favor Michael claims that there is no way to be rid of a shadow of the Fallen, and uses this as a justification for believing that Harry set up a little girl to be tortured.
Am I misremembering/misunderstanding, or is this an outright lie about a major issue by the series' resident paladin?
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People can change their mind.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 15, 2019, 01:33:27 AM ---In Proven Guilty, Michael says that Harry can get rid of Lasciel's shadow by giving up his power. Then, when Harry turns him down, Michael says that he has faith that Harry will find another way to be rid of Lasciel's shadow. However, in Small Favor Michael claims that there is no way to be rid of a shadow of the Fallen, and uses this as a justification for believing that Harry set up a little girl to be tortured.
Am I misremembering/misunderstanding, or is this an outright lie about a major issue by the series' resident paladin?
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No, Michael didn't lie, up until Harry, what Michael said was true. If I remember correctly, it is easier to give up a coin and reject it's holder like Sanyo did than to reject the shadow of one of the Fallen once it's gotten into the potential host's head. That is why Michael was so skeptical about the
notion that Harry was able to reject Lasciel's shadow. I also don't think Michael wanted to go up against his best friend, Harry, so he was grasping at straws that Harry could pull it off, but at the same time not believing it was possible.. The fact that Harry was able to throw of the shadow got the attention of Heaven and one reason why he was gifted with soul fire..
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---People can change their mind.
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True, but... you'd think he'd say something to Harry before Harry forced the situation. I mean, it is his job to make sure people know the truth about the Fallen, after all.
--- Quote ---No, Michael didn't lie, up until Harry, what Michael said was true.
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Which time? The problem here is that Michael contradicted himself.
--- Quote ---I also don't think Michael wanted to go up against his best friend, Harry, so he was grasping at straws that Harry could pull it off, but at the same time not believing it was possible.
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This makes sense.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Which time? The problem here is that Michael contradicted himself.
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No, on the surface it appears that he is contradicting himself, but it isn't deliberate. In the first instance Michael is trying to help Harry to do something he doesn't really think is possible.. So he suggests that if Harry gives up his power he can rid himself of the shadow... It is like if he suggested if Harry stood on his head for three minutes each day he could cure his brain tumor.. When as far as Michael's knowledge of this kind of brain cancer is concerned, it is terminal, but there is an outside chance that it could work.. Technically a lie I suppose, but it is also a bit of a prayer and a hope that if Harry was willing to do that God would remove the shadow.
The second, because Michael knows for a fact that no one has ever thrown off the shadow once it is in one's head, he cannot believe Harry has done it... Back to the brain tumor, Harry didn't stand on his head to cure it, but still he is cured from a tumor that is always terminal... I think Michael is conflicted because his faith demands that he believe in miracles, Harry was able to rid himself from the shadow, something no mortal has done up to this point... Michael is in the redemption business as a Holy Knight, so he wants to believe Harry badly.. However he is also confronted with what he knows to be true, no one until Harry has ever thrown off the infiltration of a shadow of one of the Fallen.. Harry never handed him the coin and said, "here I reject this..." Which would be direct evidence. So getting back to the tumor thing, since Michael knows no one has ever survived this tumor, it may be easier to think that perhaps Harry never had that tumor in the first place or is fooling himself and is really dying...
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