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raidem:

--- Quote ---how the mantle would be destroyed I wish to refute entirely
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I never meant to say that the Lady mantle's power becomes nonexistent.  Like Mother Winter said and you referred to, Einstein has the equation E=mc^2.  Energy changes form and isn't destroyed so to would occur with the mantle.  That said, we have Mab's words to contend with.


--- Quote ---This is why I ask about the nebulous nature of your theories. When one point is made against them(that the knight actually could take the Lady.. or that the separation of the lady from the queens power was taking place in CD) they simply change that bit while resisting the original premise from being faulty. It's like fighting the Dark Arts professor Snape! Argue(debate, whichever you prefer) this one with me now, here, without avoiding points you don't like in favor of 'how you can make it work' for you. That just sits too close to fitting facts to suite the theory for me. Your making assumptions on when and how the mantle would be destroyed I wish to refute entirely.

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I've addressed most of this already I think.  I recopied it and replying to it to say that it is an approach I'm taking to have more eyeballs and brains consider issues that I'm considering.  I think my ideas are better for it if I ask people what they think and how would this work. Then I see if I like it and it fits with how I view things.  People suggested that the Lady mantle kills off the fertilized egg/embryo/fetus if it could get to that point.  It was an idea that didn't fit well with me, so I suggested that either it had passed through the mantles defenses or was a special case because of a knight.  So, there are these ideas that wouldn't have come to me if I hadn't asked people to play with some of the setups I had created.  I think most know these setups/contraptions are geared to my Murphy/Mab theory and they participate with me even if they don't agree with or find merit in the theory.  I like their input nevertheless, as well as yours.

raidem:

--- Quote ---Her throat. I had wanted it for something, I thought. But now I just wanted. That would be how to do it. Set my teeth on her throat while I took her. If she struggled—or didn’t struggle enough—I would be able to start ripping my way toward the blood. “This is how it is supposed to be,” Maeve purred. “Knight and Lady, together. Fucking like animals. Taking what we please.” Her mouth turned up into a smile. “I thought you’d never let it in. Let it in deep, where I could touch.” Her lovely face took on a feigned, youthful innocence. “But I can touch it now, can’t I?” I growled. I’d forgotten how to do whatever that other thing was. All I could think about was the need. Claim her as a mate. Take whatever I pleased from her. Make her mine. Except . . . Wait.
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This is evidence to support the idea that the Knight can in fact have sex with the Lady. Or in the case Maeve was lying...

peregrine:
Maeve lying about something like that I could easily see.  The Mantle pushing Harry for it, either it thinks it can get away with it, or is functioning at such a base level doesn't bother thinking about anything more than what it wants, regardless of what it knows it can have.

On a related note, does the Mantle ever make Harry start thinking that way about Mab?  I'd think she would be one of the targets for those kinds of urges as well.  Knock her down a peg, as it were.

raidem:
I've argued that in Skin Game the dream where Harry has sex with Murphy is Harry tapping into Mab's dream or connection with her.  That dream follows Harry's dream with Molly.

It's also a hint that Murphy=Mab.

peregrine:
"I've argued a thing" doesn't really provide evidence that it's true.  It's not like Harry doesn't have desires towards Murphy that are unrelated entirely to her possibly being Mab.  Especially because the rest of that dream, as I recall, is without the rape/murder/dominate urges that the Mantle gives, so it's not really relevant to whether or not the Mantle looks at Mab the way it looks at Maeve.  Or even at Murphy.

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