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Queen Succession Rules
raidem:
Excellent point.
Just note that only "becoming a mother" destroys the Lady mantle. We don't exactly know what the definition of mother is, though I've argued it is giving birth as opposed to simply being pregnant. So the Lady mantle could coexist with a pregnant Lady but not with one that gives birth.
I saw that you already participated in and read the comment I had posted previously. My apologies if I'm being repetitive.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 18, 2018, 07:39:13 PM ---Excellent point.
Just note that only "becoming a mother" destroys the Lady mantle. We don't exactly know what the definition of mother is, though I've argued it is giving birth as opposed to simply being pregnant. So the Lady mantle could coexist with a pregnant Lady but not with one that gives birth.
I saw that you already participated in and read the comment I had posted previously. My apologies if I'm being repetitive.
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Based on the extreme reaction from the Mantle I'd say that even being pregnant is enough. If not it would just destroy the fetus, abort the pregnancy or something like that.
jonas:
And yet they specifically ordered the courts the way they were for a reason, and in all of them the mirror/ladder leads up. Makes little sense to abort the process that leads to the growth from one position to another, inhibit sure.
You kill a mothers child though and the new word for the description becomes Crone, like another name for the Mothers, those who were. Another point for the Queens birthing something and the Mothers proper being from the age before that's already passed by.(also MW reference to not my knight, Scarecrow/fearbringer possessed 'served the queen since before human memory')
Spiritual entities mixed with humanity can give birth, Mab basically gave birth to Harry's Id. Even beyond the mortal aspect of pregnancy the Knight is the only one with the proper key to create a 'kid'/entity.
The references are all over how it's described in SK, Consort to the queens, different duties for each, ect.(consort is specifically a lover,)
This is why I ask about the nebulous nature of your theories. When one point is made against them(that the knight actually could take the Lady.. or that the separation of the lady from the queens power was taking place in CD) they simply change that bit while resisting the original premise from being faulty. It's like fighting the Dark Arts professor Snape! Argue(debate, whichever you prefer) this one with me now, here, without avoiding points you don't like in favor of 'how you can make it work' for you. That just sits too close to fitting facts to suite the theory for me. Your making assumptions on when and how the mantle would be destroyed I wish to refute entirely. I'll bring my bottle of disproof, I got it from the guy who was drinking the disbelief ;)
*well, i'm not personally offended about being a fool, but considering me coming to your aid when others bash my fellow forumites I AM offended as a theorist I guess. Should know better not to be That wholey flippant against an opinion based idea your not sure others might have here.
raidem:
I appreciate your help.
I make arguments. Others do as well. I get sidetracked sometimes when I explore other peoples assumptions to see where it takes me (same with mine too at times). I ran into another person's argument that sounded convincing so I backed up and rethought things. I saw your comment and looked further at the main point of view I was taking.
The main perspective is anything that doesn't destroy the Lady mantle could be permitted . So, I agreed with you that it could be possible for the Knight to impregnate the Lady. We do have the fact set that neither Maeve nor Lily succeeded to give birth, so that could argue that the Knight doesn't impregnate the Lady. In looking at this I still think there may exist a special case which Maeve nor Lily reached that some Lady may whereby the Knight could impregnate the Lady and Lady mantle exist with this state up until the moment of birth.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Based on the extreme reaction from the Mantle I'd say that even being pregnant is enough. If not it would just destroy the fetus, abort the pregnancy or something like that.
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I already argued the prohibition against the Queens killing a mortal (human being) to mean the Lady mantle couldn't kill the fertilized egg/embryo/fetus. And even if the Lady mantle deemed the egg/embryo/fetus as killable, it doesn't mean it is required to do so.
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