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White Court, Venatori and Kemmler
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 26, 2017, 07:36:45 PM ---I'm not sure that applies; I've always thought that it was mortal memory that counted, for the Oblivion War and other things. Like Mab working with Disney (conjecture by Harry in Cold Days) to spread fairy tales in the last century. She should have all the Sidhe belief she needs, what with the millions of soldiers hanging out at the Outer Gates. I figured similar rules apply to Cthulhu.
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Not knowing for sure what the requirements are for any being to be consigned to oblivion, and by that I mean I don't know what kind of being is ABLE to be consigned.
CAN a Naggloshii be consigned, for example?
Froklsnt:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 27, 2017, 04:02:20 PM ---Not knowing for sure what the requirements are for any being to be consigned to oblivion, and by that I mean I don't know what kind of being is ABLE to be consigned.
CAN a Naggloshii be consigned, for example?
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The Naggloshii that are on the mortal plane are already here, so Oblivion isn't an option for them. They don't need a mortal to allow their influence on this plane because they're already here, and can influence just fine themselves, thank you. A Naggloshii in the Nevernever, as a semi-divine being, is probably at risk for that, though.
There is a separate, unanswered question about how mortal belief affects non-mortal beings who are already here. I expect we will get a lot of answers to that in book 18, which Jim told the DF Podcast would be about washed up gods as pro-wrestlers.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 27, 2017, 04:40:03 PM ---The Naggloshii that are on the mortal plane are already here, so Oblivion isn't an option for them. They don't need a mortal to allow their influence on this plane because they're already here, and can influence just fine themselves, thank you. A Naggloshii in the Nevernever, as a semi-divine being, is probably at risk for that, though.
There is a separate, unanswered question about how mortal belief affects non-mortal beings who are already here. I expect we will get a lot of answers to that in book 18, which Jim told the DF Podcast would be about washed up gods as pro-wrestlers.
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Well, sort of. Those Naggloshii that are in the Well Came from another realm and were supposed to go back but decided to stay. Would that be enough, after removing them from mortal memory to consign them?
Froklsnt:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 27, 2017, 05:55:44 PM ---Well, sort of. Those Naggloshii that are in the Well Came from another realm and were supposed to go back but decided to stay. Would that be enough, after removing them from mortal memory to consign them?
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I think that falls into the unanswered questions of how belief affects (semi)divine beings on the mortal plane. Maybe if no one knew what it was, it would be powerless. Maybe it could pop out of the Well one day and simply go "Ahh! After ten thousand years I'm free! It's time to conquer Earth!"
I don't think we've been given that information yet. My guess is that it would be weakened but still able to act. In that state, it could make itself known to mortals and begin fostering new beliefs about it, and rebuilding it's power, like Odin did. I think there's a WoJ about creatures inspiring new legends to regain their power.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Froklsnt on September 27, 2017, 06:23:35 PM ---I think that falls into the unanswered questions of how belief affects (semi)divine beings on the mortal plane. Maybe if no one knew what it was, it would be powerless. Maybe it could pop out of the Well one day and simply go "Ahh! After ten thousand years I'm free! It's time to conquer Earth!"
I don't think we've been given that information yet. My guess is that it would be weakened but still able to act. In that state, it could make itself known to mortals and begin fostering new beliefs about it, and rebuilding it's power, like Odin did. I think there's a WoJ about creatures inspiring new legends to regain their power.
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See, and what I'm picturing is the opposite. I'm picturing that once they are sufficiently forgotten, they disappear out of the well. Eventually leaving a depression where a new inmate could be place.
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