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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
DonBugen:
I think it’s at least possible, though, for Karrin to be something of a sleeper agent. Remember: Dresden was, technically, a Denarian for four novels and never once drastically screwed things up for the Home Team. Not everyone is as stubborn and immovable as Dresden is, but it’s worth noting that having a supernatural brain-dwelling parasite doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to do what it wants. The fact that Karrin did not act in Nemesis’ best interest on the island is not unflinching proof that she’s not influenced by something.
Look at it this way: IF Karrin is Nemfected (which is a big IF – there’s a bunch of things out there that will give Power for influence) then it’s important to note that we have no evidence at all that Nemesis works in such a way that it has complete control over a person against their will. Lea wavered back and forth between personae. Cat Sith struggled and fought against the intruder. Maeve could be reasoned with, and treated her infection as a gift that gave power. The infected seem to have the ability to give up their will. Reclaiming will which has once been given seems to be a herculean task, but not impossible.
In her desperate bid to protect Chicago when Dresden was seemingly dead, she became an ally and employee of John Marcone in his Brighter Future Society organization, and commonly allies with creatures who think that humans are just delicious. Her old allies are getting injured and seriously hurt left and right. Is it so crazy to think that, if offered, she wouldn’t have picked up another weapon in order to do what needed to be done to save others? Especially if the one offering made it plain that whatever dark power being taken up would have no more influence over her than she allowed?
I think it’s at least possible. And if true, than it makes her reunion with Dresden in Cold Days even more compelling: because rather than speaking to him as an ex-cop who’s seen a lot of people go down that left-hand path, she’s speaking to someone who’s in the same exact precarious position that she’s in, and giving him the same advice that she’s trying to live by. Remember, Karrin told Dresden at the end of Cold Days that she works with a lot of monsters these days. What if one of the monsters was internal?
Yeah, it’s a WAG. But someone’s bound to be a traitor, and Karrin would be one of the biggest and most painful blows to Dresden, other than maybe Eb or Thomas. And while Ebenezer is still definitely the most suspicious and most likely to be a secret traitor, Karrin definitely has the potential.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 15, 2017, 02:07:57 PM ---Can N ever interfere with a love fueled action? Such things, in a complex web of metaphysics in the DF related to real world beliefs ect, ect. Shortened, Love is one of those higher 'thoughts' that of itself is almost a choice. I'd be willing to state that without an almost but by itself I could see some argument, but with faith and hope, less so. All three of those are choices from the core of our being. Choosing to love unconditionally or at personal sacrifice, choosing to have hope, choosing to have faith in pretty much anything. That's why those things are champions of freewill under the KotC. They aren't the direct result of stimulus, but how we ourselves choose to process that stimulus. As such, I don't think anyone can override those. Some proof in Lae trying to remove the memories surrounding Susan's love, but couldn't remove it itself(least not without a deal) As Michael said, key word in sword of faith is faith, so it's the power itself with the uhh.. power itself.
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There short answer is that we dont know, we know almost nothing of Nemesis's capabilities or limitations. So far we only know that it can pass via Objects (Lea), via direct infection (Cat Sith), and that a subject needs to be willing to be cured by Mab. Besides that we've been told that Nemesis cannot infect Angels because Angels are too "absolute".
There are plenty who doubt whether Humans even /can/ be Nemfected, on the basis that only Fae have been shown so far (that we know of). I personally think the Black Magic Taint is in fact Nemesis (or some other Outside agency) but it takes cumulative Choices (Ie willing uses of Black Magic) to build up to a full Nemfection.
That being said, If a mortal can be Nemfected and If a Nemfected Mortal can fight Nemesis, Hope/Faith/Love are the top three most likely catalysts, and "the greatest of these is Love". It would make all kinds of thematic sense, Id say.
Mira:
No, Harry was never a Denarian because he never accepted the coin. Yeah Lasciel did influence him and he used hell fire, but he never fully gave in, it was never a partnership.. In the end Harry changed Lasciel's shadow as Lasciel fell in love with him and she became Lash..
RobReece:
--- Quote from: Smaug with OCD on August 11, 2017, 06:11:32 PM ---Wasn't there a WoJ about the Librarians thinking all magic is evil with a capital 'E' and as a result, they were partially behind Murph's career crashing and burning because of her friendship with Dresden? I unfortunately don't have the time to look up if my memory is accurate or not(I have a road trip in two hours), so I shall politely invoke the quote gods and request: Could you please find it for me, oh mighty and powerful lords of the obscure quotes? Masters of the arcane confirmations by Jim! Most devoted fans of the Butcher's work! Your humble servant begs your aid, and provides a shameless bribe in the form of internet cookies!
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I remember basically the same thing that you mention, I don't remember if it specifically mentions the Librarians, but definitely some persons way up the authority chain did not like how cozy Murphy was with an admitted wizard and found her guilty by association. But I don't remember if I saw it on a video here or at a signing I went to...
Shecky, do you recall anything like this?
jonas:
--- Quote from: quantus --- It would make all kinds of thematic sense, Id say.
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That's my bag man yea :)
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