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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
jonas:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 15, 2017, 12:00:33 AM ---Yeah, that's always been my biggest argument against Murphy being a traitor. As Harry's most trusted companion, she has had soooooooo many opportunities to completely screw over the side of reality. But every action she's taken has been to help Harry defend reality. In Cold Days alone, there are six or seven points where, through simple inaction, Murphy could've handed the game to the Outsiders and not even blown her cover.
That she didn't pretty much clears her entirely.
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Only as an implicit traitor, though. not a subvert or simply 'influenced' badly at times.
deflated:
I think Murphy's role moving forward is to be Harry's only close associate without some fairly serious mystical power or protections.
She's shaping to be one of the few vulnerabilities he has, something that can drive him to act irrationally or a hook for the bad guys to pull him along. Molly, Eb, Thomas, Butters, Ivy, the Alphas can look after themselves, Michael and Maggie have serious 24/7 bodyguards. I can't see her agreeing to be wrapped in cotton wool and kept safe. Karrin has some serious friends and isn't defenseless but looks like Harry's closest friend and most likely target all wrapped up together.
It sure looks like at some point Harry will be asking himself why he couldn't prevent <some very bad thing> happening to Karrin. Bonus points if Mab's orders to her Winter Knight are getting in the way. She'll either be dead or they will have reached a point that one or both of them realize that Karrin can't survive being in a relationship with Harry.
ntribley:
I think the main issue that has to be dealt with is Murphy's sense of purpose. Not only has she lost her position with SI/Chicago PD, which was what had defined her internally as well as externally, she has now caused the unmaking of one of the swords through her own actions. In the privacy of her thoughts, that has to be devastating. A few times now, the supernatural villains of the story have referred to Karrin as the "fallen cop" or the Broken one. Whether that is meant to be just a taunt or whether they see the truth of Karrin on a deeper level, I don't know. Being kicked out of SI was not her fault; she had done nothing wrong in any sense. The sword unmaking was entirely on her. First in appointing herself guardian even after Harry returned, and then of course her actions in Skin Game that caused the Sword's destruction.
As much as I could see her dying and becoming an Einharjar, I agree with those who argue that there has to be a character that tethers the story arc to the mortal world. Murphy has done that up until now. But she needs to regain a sense of purpose within the mortal world. Personally, I would love to see her go FBI, and team up with Tully. That would give her law enforcement purpose again, but on a larger scale than SI. It could also put her in a position where responsibilities would often take her away from Chicago, meaning a relationship with Harry would become harder as well.
The Murphy the Broken persona is getting real old. If nothing changes in Peace Talks, I can easily see Jim bumping her off as just one more point of pain for Harry. But if he does, the story will have completely lost its mortal moorings, which would be a real shame.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 15, 2017, 12:49:54 AM ---Only as an implicit traitor, though. not a subvert or simply 'influenced' badly at times.
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As a Nemesis-controlled agent overall Id say. Nemesis invested a metric f*ckton of energy and resources on that scheme, fought the Hunt and even fielded an actual Walker for it. All it would have take for Nemesis to Win the Day was for Murphy to Not Pull the Trigger at the end. Or even to simply Miss, as humans do. I have to think Nemesis would have played that card if it could have.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 15, 2017, 12:15:50 PM ---As a Nemesis-controlled agent overall Id say. Nemesis invested a metric f*ckton of energy and resources on that scheme, fought the Hunt and even fielded an actual Walker for it. All it would have take for Nemesis to Win the Day was for Murphy to Not Pull the Trigger at the end. Or even to simply Miss, as humans do. I have to think Nemesis would have played that card if it could have.
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Can N ever interfere with a love fueled action? Such things, in a complex web of metaphysics in the DF related to real world beliefs ect, ect. Shortened, Love is one of those higher 'thoughts' that of itself is almost a choice. I'd be willing to state that without an almost but by itself I could see some argument, but with faith and hope, less so. All three of those are choices from the core of our being. Choosing to love unconditionally or at personal sacrifice, choosing to have hope, choosing to have faith in pretty much anything. That's why those things are champions of freewill under the KotC. They aren't the direct result of stimulus, but how we ourselves choose to process that stimulus. As such, I don't think anyone can override those. Some proof in Lae trying to remove the memories surrounding Susan's love, but couldn't remove it itself(least not without a deal) As Michael said, key word in sword of faith is faith, so it's the power itself with the uhh.. power itself.
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