The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
Arjan:
Still wondering why people accept Nicodemus word as proof for anything....
forumghost:
Because Harry's brain-matter isn't decorating the sidewalk outside of the Carpenter residence? If he'd wanted to kill him, he'd have done it as soon as he was finished with Murphy.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 02, 2017, 05:42:33 AM ---Because Harry's brain-matter isn't decorating the sidewalk outside of the Carpenter residence? If he'd wanted to kill him, he'd have done it as soon as he was finished with Murphy.
--- End quote ---
So nicodemus had a good reason not to. No reason to believe it was the reason he stated.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 01, 2017, 03:21:47 PM ---No, I am going with Nic's stated mission since Small Favor, the reason Harry first dangled Fid in the first place to trade for Ivy and Marcone. The whole reason Harry dangled the Sword, he knew Nic wanted it to unmake it.. Duh... Denarians want to break Holy Swords, they and the Knights that wield them are their enemy.. What is the one thing that strikes more terror in a Nicklehead than anything else? A Holy Sword shining brightly in the hands of a Knight... Nic isn't afraid of Michael without his Sword, but put Am in his hands and Nic shits his pants..
So Nic isn't lying he is bragging on how clever he was setting up Murphy and Harry with the unwitting aid of Butters to accomplish his goal.. He lies about a lot of things true, but not about this, breaking Swords is his goal, planning to accomplish that is his business, and this time out he won, if only for a little while.. At that point in time, Fid was shattered on the sidewalk, useless..
Your mistake is thinking since Nic lies, everything he says is a lie, however it is a lot more complicated than that...
--- End quote ---
I can't believe that we are arguing about Nicodemous's credibility. That is why I call this lunacy. It is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that Nick can lie and he did lie, a freaking lot, not all the time but the next best thing to it. "I know the value of your words and you know the value of mine". This phrase first used by shiro is proof enough. Nick is a lying cheating bastard, because JB design him as a complete nemesis to Michael's character. Arguing about this is pointless.
All I want to say is this. Had Nicodemous say something and he is the only sorce of information and with the absence of any other contrary proof, taking his words as truth is reasonable. No matter how you put it, the guy is still a character in the story, and his words are still text evidence. When he say that Harry is afraid of power during book 5, I take that statement as truth just fine. Why? Because nothing is going against that statement and Harry even somewhat agrees which further support the statement.
But taking Nicodemous's words as credible evidence, when there is at least 3 other characters who's words and actions contradicts Nicodemous's statement and under the condition where these 3 character are all reputable characters, that is a choice only made by crazy lunatics.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 02, 2017, 07:30:19 AM ---So nicodemus had a good reason not to. No reason to believe it was the reason he stated.
--- End quote ---
He had reasons to keep Harry alive- ergo, he wasn't going to kill him, ergo he was bluffing Murphy to get her to break Fid.
The exact reasons for keeping Harry alive aren't exactly relevant to that chain of logic.
Nick is an asshole, a liar, and a murderous, murdering, murderer. Obviously we need to analyze his action carefully- he's not the sort you trust as far as you can kick after all.
But I genuinely don't think he intended to kill Harry then. If for no other reason then the fact that it's 99% guaranteed that Mab is watching over his shoulder looking for an excuse to shank him right now, and so he wants to wait until he's somewhere she can't intervene (Hades)
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version