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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 02, 2017, 05:42:33 AM ---Because Harry's brain-matter isn't decorating the sidewalk outside of the Carpenter residence? If he'd wanted to kill him, he'd have done it as soon as he was finished with Murphy.
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Nicodemous himself might want to argue otherwise, but at the end of the day the guy iss till just a human. Heck, even a supreme spiritual being with near absolute purpose, like Mab, sometimes goes astray under certain stimulation, as we seen during book 14.
The guy just manage to destroy fid, permanently so he presumes. One of his eternal foe is just vanquished, pardon him some time to gloat and celebrate. Nick probably can't help himself.
By the time he pull himself toghether and was about to actually kill Harry, Michael come up and offer him a tastier bait.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 02, 2017, 07:37:06 AM ---He had reasons to keep Harry alive- ergo, he wasn't going to kill him, ergo he was bluffing Murphy to get her to break Fid.
The exact reasons for keeping Harry alive aren't exactly relevant to that chain of logic.
Nick is an asshole, a liar, and a murderous, murdering, murderer. Obviously we need to analyze his action carefully- he's not the sort you trust as far as you can kick after all.
But I genuinely don't think he intended to kill Harry then. If for no other reason then the fact that it's 99% guaranteed that Mab is watching over his shoulder looking for an excuse to shank him right now, and so he wants to wait until he's somewhere she can't intervene (Hades)
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Exactly, yes, he'd love to see Harry dead, but not at that moment, he had need of him. Yes, Mab was watching... However when Murphy announced openly her feelings about the Holy Knights and their duty and chose to conceal Sword to take with.... Nic isn't one to let an excellent chance to break a Sword go to waste... So the set up.. We can all agree that Nic is an asshole and a liar, but he wasn't lying about that little bit..
--- Quote ---Nicodemous himself might want to argue otherwise, but at the end of the day the guy iss till just a human. Heck, even a supreme spiritual being with near absolute purpose, like Mab, sometimes goes astray under certain stimulation, as we seen during book 14.
The guy just manage to destroy fid, permanently so he presumes. One of his eternal foe is just vanquished, pardon him some time to gloat and celebrate. Nick probably can't help himself.
By the time he pull himself toghether and was about to actually kill Harry, Michael come up and offer him a tastier bait.
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That too...
peregrine:
If Nic is as all knowing as he's supposed to be, he should know that Fid was never truly broken. Bianca et al. were going to kill an innocent to unmake the sword, after Harry did the same thing Murphy did. Nic just smashed the blade. All he did was take it out of commission until such time as a new blade can be reforged, like has been done several times over with two of the three.
Basically, the miracle of faith that Butters did was getting it to work without the metal, not ununmaking it.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 02, 2017, 07:37:06 AM ---He had reasons to keep Harry alive- ergo, he wasn't going to kill him, ergo he was bluffing Murphy to get her to break Fid.
The exact reasons for keeping Harry alive aren't exactly relevant to that chain of logic.
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We know that Nicodemus wants to kill Harry so his reasons not to are always context sensitive and because so it is extremely important to know those reasons because context can change quite rapidly.
Before Karen took the sword is quite different from after and is different from after Michaels offer.
Things like how would Mab interpret the situation, do I have a chance to get something better and how wonderful I feel gloating now all have influence on his decision to kill or not kill Harry.
--- Quote ---Nick is an asshole, a liar, and a murderous, murdering, murderer. Obviously we need to analyze his action carefully- he's not the sort you trust as far as you can kick after all.
But I genuinely don't think he intended to kill Harry then. If for no other reason then the fact that it's 99% guaranteed that Mab is watching over his shoulder looking for an excuse to shank him right now, and so he wants to wait until he's somewhere she can't intervene (Hades)
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It all depends on the situation. Harry and Butters actions freed him of one concern, Mab's retaliation. Karen offerd him a more tempting opportunity but without Karens intervention Nicodemus had to do something because he could not let Harry get away with it either.
That something might well have been killing Harry.
Mr. Death:
Mira, are you seriously arguing that the entire chase was just to get Murphy to break the Sword?
That Nicodemus would not have chased or wanted Butters dead if Murphy didn't have the Sword?
Is that what you're saying? Because that makes no sense.
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