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Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
Mira:
--- Quote ---I thought about that as well. But considering further, I discount her performance during book 12. Chopping up vampires is not a KoTC's main job, saving mortals from fallen is. Which is probably why Murphy held out from wielding fid for so long. She knew she is not cut out for it, and when she was finally cornered to wield the holy sword for it's main purpose, she fails.
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Part of their job is defeating evil.. Denarians it is about redemption, but they go after evil too. Why else were ALL three Swords engaged at C.I.? Sanya and then the temps Murphy and Susan.. Susan who could not touch Fid back in Death Masks because she was half turned, could suddenly wield the Sword of Love to save her child.. Murphy who found herself a sock puppet for an avenging angel handing out judgement and justice from the Almighty.. The angel using her body said so at the time.. Murphy didn't like being used that way and didn't want to experience it again, that was her initial reason for telling Harry at the end of Changes she didn't want the full time job.. I think her reasons changed as of Skin Game, in my opinion she was going through a crisis of faith. Understandably during Harry's absence she had become cynical. She no longer bought into, if she ever did, the idea that Denarians can or deserve a chance at redemption. That is the big reason why she went ahead and took the Sword with in my opinion, to her it had become a mere weapon, not a symbol of something higher with rules of engagement.
--- Quote ---Wielding a sword is one thing, becoming a KotC is another thing entirely. I strongly suspect Harry refuse to become a KoTC for the same reason. There just isn't much mercy in Harry and Murphy for the likes of Nicodemous, which for me is a completely understandable point of view, but sadly such a way of thinking does not agree with the crede of the KoTC.
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I think for Harry it is a bit more complicated and involves a number of factors, most importantly perhaps is, he was never offered the job.. To be their custodian and to hand them out as needed, yes, but he has never been given a job offer to wield one.. Even to save little Maggie he didn't even consider using one, he handed the Sword of Love to Susan instead.
In contrast Murphy was first given a job offer back in Small Favor, the Sword lit up when she touched it, but she rejected it, she was still a cop back then.. She accepted it for one night for C.I. but rejected the job an a regular bases at the end of Changes.. Further in Skin Game states that she doesn't buy into the rules governing them.. But Harry does..
forumghost:
--- Quote ---She no longer bought into, if she ever did, the idea that Denarians can or deserve a chance at redemption. That is the big reason why she went ahead and took the Sword with in my opinion, to her it had become a mere weapon, not a symbol of something higher with rules of engagement.
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Imma have to disagree with you on this one. Murphy says herself in SG that she doesn't want to save/redeem them yes- but it's as a citation as to why she can't take up Fid.
What drove her to that decision was desperation, not a misunderstanding as to what the Swords require. She knows she's not suitable.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on August 27, 2017, 10:14:38 AM ---Imma have to disagree with you on this one. Murphy says herself in SG that she doesn't want to save/redeem them yes- but it's as a citation as to why she can't take up Fid.
What drove her to that decision was desperation, not a misunderstanding as to what the Swords require. She knows she's not suitable.
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If this is true, it just further proves the point that she was never a rightful custodian of the Swords. What you saying works in the heat of the moment, she really thought that Harry was going to die, ergo she used the Sword improperly.. If that is all that happened, buy that, but it wasn't... 1] She made the decision to conceal the Sword on her person, after all she said, not a word to Harry. It reeks premeditation, it also reeks planning on using the Sword as a mere weapon, a] you don't bring it unless you intend to use it..b] you know if you have to use it chances are you are going to misuse it.. In effect it makes her a hypocrite, she talks good about the rules but then she knowingly breaks them. 2] It is her sitting of judgement of Nic, the words "damn you," as she lowers the Sword that got it broken, to her in that moment it was a mere weapon, she had Nic beaten, he had surrendered, she proceeded to execution...
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 27, 2017, 10:31:03 AM ---you don't bring it unless you intend to use it
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That's simply not true.
Murphy brings her sidearm with her everywhere. Does that mean she always intends to use it?
Ditto with Harry's rings, staff, blasting rod, and firearm.
You also still have not responded to my or KurtinStGeorge's posts, Mira. I think we both asked some pertinent questions, so it's curious that you're ignoring them.
Arjan:
She took it up to save Harry. She did save Harry. That was the important thing. She was not proper knight material so the sword broke. So what.
Who would not break a sword to save a loved one?
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