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WK Mantle or Lawbreaker taint?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on June 30, 2017, 10:27:10 PM ---Technically the curse did not kill the Demi rcv, it restored their humanity. It is not his fault their natural mortality turned them to dust.
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That's a lot like saying, 'The spell didn't kill him. It just tripped him. It's not his fault there was a ledge right there that they fell off." ANd we know that scenario is a law violation.
--- Quote ---Harry Id and the mantle is all about survival, while black magic useful, he knows it leads to insanity, which is not great for continual survival. If he can focus enough on this, he can hold the temptation to use it at bay.
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It's not about survival. It's about primal urges. Raping Molly and smashing Murphy's head in wouldn't have helped him survive either, but he was a hair's breadth from doing those because of the Mantle.
Mira:
--- Quote ---That's a lot like saying, 'The spell didn't kill him. It just tripped him. It's not his fault there was a ledge right there that they fell off." ANd we know that scenario is a law violation.
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Harry didn't infect those people, the Red Court Vamps did.. All Harry was trying to do was save his daughter, which in turn given the nature of the spell that the Red King cast, that Harry merely reversed, saved his own life.. Technically it was all self defense which is allowed under the Laws. The Red King didn't think the consequences of his spell through, he never thought it possible that it could be reversed.. So no, no law violation..
--- Quote ---It's not about survival. It's about primal urges. Raping Molly and smashing Murphy's head in wouldn't have helped him survive either, but he was a hair's breadth from doing those because of the Mantle..
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But the point is, he didn't act on his urges.. The mantle is about survival, it makes Harry stronger, faster, etc, but it comes with a price, urges on steroids.
Argonometra:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 29, 2017, 10:37:53 PM ---Harry doesn't have murderous tendencies..
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No, there was that SG scene in the car where he was tempted to go out and kill some 'threat to his territory' or whatever.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 01, 2017, 12:05:19 AM --- Technically it was all self defense which is allowed under the Laws.
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I think Hannah Ascher would have liked that, if it were true.
But so far as I know, it's not.
That said - Harry didn't use magic to kill the red court, he used a knife. Ergo, he should be safe from the black magic taint (but not at all from the general mental degradation associated with having to kill a loved one, which may have made him callous about the death of others such as the hunter in Cold Days).
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on July 01, 2017, 08:11:09 AM ---I think Hannah Ascher would have liked that, if it were true.
But so far as I know, it's not.
That said - Harry didn't use magic to kill the red court, he used a knife. Ergo, he should be safe from the black magic taint (but not at all from the general mental degradation associated with having to kill a loved one, which may have made him callous about the death of others such as the hunter in Cold Days).
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Point is still he did not set up the spell that killed the Red Court, the Red King did.. A spell he used to attempt to take out Eb and his whole family.
Self defense, is still a defense, it was the defense that saved Harry. The Senior Council didn't believe that so young a kid
could fight a full wizard, a retired Warden no less, in a fair fight and beat him.. Granted Harry had Ed defending him and most likely would have lost his head without him. It is also the reason that Harry was declared a full wizard at sixteen, but because he was under age was sent to live with Eb under the Doom. Oh they also wanted Eb to take him out if need be.
The defense may have worked for Hannah Asher as well if she had an advocate, but she didn't. Also the Senior Council's courts by that time had turned more or less into a kangaroo court as we saw in Proven Guilty.
--- Quote ---No, there was that SG scene in the car where he was tempted to go out and kill some 'threat to his territory' or whatever.
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Again, that he is defending isn't he? Misguided perhaps, but that isn't a tendency...
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