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WK Mantle or Lawbreaker taint?
Quantus:
The thing that is hanging me up more than anything is my side theory for how the Mantle is actually Pushing him. I theorize that the Mantle itself isn't actually infulencing him, at least not directly. I suspect that the mantle (at least when gifted by Mab this time) doesnt bring along it's own personality/consciousness that Harry is trying to fight like a possessing spirit, rather Mab gave a big ol' ball of power to a "spirit" (using the term loosely here) that was already in Harry, specifically Id-Harry, as represented by the Snowflake Badge of Office Id-harry now wears. All the Urges Harry has gotten since becoming Knight fully align with "base desires" that Id-Harry always says he represents.
So, if that is the case, the notion that some of that is coming from Taint, that Id-Harry specifically is being affected by repeated Black Magic use, is both fascinating and a little frightening.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on June 30, 2017, 03:30:21 AM ---That's an interesting point. What constitutes 'using' magic?
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In this context, I'd go with the same description of gathering, shaping and releasing energy that Harry described in BR as analogous to loading, aiming and firing a gun. With the malocchio, Lord Raith's helpers were getting the power from the Walker but splitting those three tasks, with the difference in shaping it with intent accounting for why the curse' killings went from comic-book ridiculous when Trixie was running that step to fast and surgically lethal in the hands of the more competent sorceress.
With the heart-ripper curse, all of that was already automated and set up to go as soon as a compatible ritual knife was used to spill a life's blood sacrifice and trigger propagation along the bloodline. Harry's narration didn't talk about manipulating energy at all, just using the knife.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 30, 2017, 12:23:31 PM ---There's not a lot of time passing for Harry between the spell and Cold Days -- he's shot dead the next morning, then is a ghost. And my view is, it's not happening in a vacuum. Yes, the murder urges are tied in with the lust, but what I'm thinking is the black magic taint is basically reinforcing it.
Fair points about the intent, and in fact the "distance" between the casting itself and Harry might have buffered him from the black magic taint of it more than if, say, he'd been doing the human sacrifices.
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Oh ok.. I thought you were talking about his spell at Bianca's.... As for the Changes spell. No I don't think it would effect him. He didn't do any spell work. What he did any vanilla mortal could have done. It wasn't magic that he cast so I don't see it doing anything to him.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 30, 2017, 12:47:36 PM ---The thing that is hanging me up more than anything is my side theory for how the Mantle is actually Pushing him. I theorize that the Mantle itself isn't actually infulencing him, at least not directly. I suspect that the mantle (at least when gifted by Mab this time) doesnt bring along it's own personality/consciousness that Harry is trying to fight like a possessing spirit, rather Mab gave a big ol' ball of power to a "spirit" (using the term loosely here) that was already in Harry, specifically Id-Harry, as represented by the Snowflake Badge of Office Id-harry now wears. All the Urges Harry has gotten since becoming Knight fully align with "base desires" that Id-Harry always says he represents.
So, if that is the case, the notion that some of that is coming from Taint, that Id-Harry specifically is being affected by repeated Black Magic use, is both fascinating and a little frightening.
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Objection: we don't officially know what the snowflake pin is symbolizing.
As to the rest, I'd argue that the mantle is actually a construct that is nothing more than an Id, which is also trying to influence Harry in addition to his own.
I don't think Id is tied to the mantle's urges, because Id wouldn't have rapey tendencies, nor would he be quite as brutal-minded about Harry's friends. I can't recall when, but I thought there was a moment or two when Harry considered killing Butters. Id would be more likely to see Butters as Harry's pack or family.
kazimmoinuddin:
Technically the curse did not kill the Demi rcv, it restored their humanity. It is not his fault their natural mortality turned them to dust.
Harry Id and the mantle is all about survival, while black magic useful, he knows it leads to insanity, which is not great for continual survival. If he can focus enough on this, he can hold the temptation to use it at bay.
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