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WK Mantle or Lawbreaker taint?
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Avernite on July 01, 2017, 08:11:09 AM ---I think Hannah Ascher would have liked that, if it were true.
But so far as I know, it's not
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It's not technically 'allowed' but it's a mitigating factor, which is why Harry is still NBA tall. If Hannah had gone in with the Wardens and plead her case she could have had a suspended sentence like Harry did.
Unfortunately without someone on the Council willing to stick their neck out the chance is about .000000001% of it actually happening, but that's just because the Council are a bunch of asshats that actively discourage any attempts to reform Warlocks- even ones like Harry or Molly that were found early enough they might be salvageable.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on July 01, 2017, 01:51:08 PM ---It's not technically 'allowed' but it's a mitigating factor, which is why Harry is still NBA tall. If Hannah had gone in with the Wardens and plead her case she could have had a suspended sentence like Harry did.
Unfortunately without someone on the Council willing to stick their neck out the chance is about .000000001% of it actually happening, but that's just because the Council are a bunch of asshats that actively discourage any attempts to reform Warlocks- even ones like Harry or Molly that were found early enough they might be salvageable.
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Yeah, Hannah Asher had reason for her initial killing, being raped for heaven sake, but she didn't surrender to the Wardens at that time. If she had a good advocate she might have survived under the Doom. Though as stated these days wizards like Harry who'd take up her cause are few and far between. Actually Harry might have gotten the chop if his grandpa hadn't stepped in, and would Harry have stuck his neck out for Molly if she wasn't Michael's kid? So it is understandable that Hannah ran from the Wardens, but at the same time was she ever able to check her slide into warlockhood? It isn't totally clear whether or not at the time of Changes when her friends died when their vamp halves died that she wasn't already a warlock. She was angry enough that Lasciel was able to tempt her so she could gain revenge.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 01, 2017, 02:42:59 PM ---
Yeah, Hannah Asher had reason for her initial killing, being raped for heaven sake, but she didn't surrender to the Wardens at that time. If she had a good advocate she might have survived under the Doom. Though as stated these days wizards like Harry who'd take up her cause are few and far between. Actually Harry might have gotten the chop if his grandpa hadn't stepped in, and would Harry have stuck his neck out for Molly if she wasn't Michael's kid? So it is understandable that Hannah ran from the Wardens, but at the same time was she ever able to check her slide into warlockhood? It isn't totally clear whether or not at the time of Changes when her friends died when their vamp halves died that she wasn't already a warlock. She was angry enough that Lasciel was able to tempt her so she could gain revenge.
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Well, we know the Fellowship was pretty extremist but sane, so I think Hannah must have stuck to mostly sane while there; and Binder, while on the risky side, seems unlikely to throw in with a gibbering madwoman.
So I suspect she controlled her darker impulses pretty well, and if she'd won a reprieve from the Council she'd probably have reformed.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on July 01, 2017, 06:54:26 PM ---Well, we know the Fellowship was pretty extremist but sane, so I think Hannah must have stuck to mostly sane while there; and Binder, while on the risky side, seems unlikely to throw in with a gibbering madwoman.
So I suspect she controlled her darker impulses pretty well, and if she'd won a reprieve from the Council she'd probably have reformed.
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Think so, but sadly she didn't even try, and without an advocate, she could very well have lost given Langtry's attitude towards young budding warlocks.
Rasins:
If you violate the first law, even in self defense, you still have the taint. This is evidenced by the kid in SF who could see the taint of HWWB on Harry.
Just because the Council recognizes mitigating circumstances, does not mean that the universe will give you a pass.
That being said, Half-Ramps are not human. The fact that Harry "Pulled the trigger" would not have shielded him from the effects had he killed humans. But they were no longer humans at that point. What happened to them after the spell had it's way is of no consequence to the spell caster (which Harry was.) With that Curse, Harry killed Rampires, and Half Rampires. The effects of the spell destroyed the "Rampire taint" if you will.
Killing non-mortals is not against the first law, and Harry has no additional "taint" on him.
That being said, killing a living being, or beings in this case, DOES have an affect.
It's like when I was in college. Those 8:00 am classes were EARLY in the day. I knew that when I signed up for them. I also knew that the first time I missed a class, it was SO much easier to skip a second and a third and a fourth that eventually I might as well just drop the class.
It's the same way with other things, like killing. It gets easier the more you do it. Or it'll drive you nuts.
I believe that the Black Magic taint is separate completely from the WK Mantle.
That being said, feelings are feelings. Whether they come from the WK Mantle, or from an easing of the ability (to kill in this case) doesn't really matter. You have that feeling.
Could the urges that the WK mantle provides be goaded on by Black magic taint? I see no reasons why not. But What it think is more likely is that the WK mantle says Kill, and Harry is more likely to do it because he already has killed, not because a taint is making him do it.
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