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What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
Avernite:
I believe a saint is something else.
A saint is someone who, as Uriel describes it in the Warrior, fights the good fight in myriads of ways.
A handful, sometimes, will be acting as leaders of the flock against supernatural evils, or as conduits for a miracle, but 9 times out of 10 they will just go about their lives, helping their fellow man and making their lives better.
In that way, Father Forthill seems the best of the current crop for sainthood including his ability to detect a ghost/soul, with the likes of Shiro and (if he had died) Michael being more on course for becoming venerated martyrs (being still alive, Michael might well make the road to sainthood at some point). Harry also could easily become a martyr given his tendency to act as a Knight-of-the-Cross-bonus.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 09, 2017, 09:13:53 PM ---I believe a saint is something else.
A saint is someone who, as Uriel describes it in the Warrior, fights the good fight in myriads of ways.
A handful, sometimes, will be acting as leaders of the flock against supernatural evils, or as conduits for a miracle, but 9 times out of 10 they will just go about their lives, helping their fellow man and making their lives better.
In that way, Father Forthill seems the best of the current crop for sainthood including his ability to detect a ghost/soul, with the likes of Shiro and (if he had died) Michael being more on course for becoming venerated martyrs (being still alive, Michael might well make the road to sainthood at some point). Harry also could easily become a martyr given his tendency to act as a Knight-of-the-Cross-bonus.
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I think that covers pretty much what many of us have said..
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 09, 2017, 03:52:13 PM ---Oh, no not what I meant at all, just meant that Uriel seems to communicate directly (confirmed by Michael) while I dont see TWG bothering to actually communicate anything with her, s/he'd arrange things and omnisciently Know how she would react
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I didn't mean directly with Mab, but consider both Harry's soul walk about, something Mab seemingly had to agree to at Uriel's insistence.. And in Small Favor when Mab admits that that time anyway her and Uriel were playing on the same side against a common foe... In any of these matters Uriel cannot act unilaterally, he has to have orders or approval from the Boss.. Uriel communicates this to Mab, so by chain of command she also gets her orders from the top.. Like in the military, the general doesn't directly order the private but the private still gets the orders down the food chain..
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 10, 2017, 12:13:41 AM ---I think that covers pretty much what many of us have said..
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Hmm, well, I didn't see it written out that way, but I suppose others may have considered that to fall under the 'any truely Holy Man' option.
--- Quote ---I didn't mean directly with Mab, but consider both Harry's soul walk about, something Mab seemingly had to agree to at Uriel's insistence.. And in Small Favor when Mab admits that that time anyway her and Uriel were playing on the same side against a common foe... In any of these matters Uriel cannot act unilaterally, he has to have orders or approval from the Boss.. Uriel communicates this to Mab, so by chain of command she also gets her orders from the top.. Like in the military, the general doesn't directly order the private but the private still gets the orders down the food chain..
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I don't know, seems to me like Uriel (if playing by the rules) has plenty of leeway. I don't think he has to go back to TWG and get official approval before he acts; he knows Divine Law as clearly as Toot knows Winter Law (else he'd inevitably mess up and Fall without meaning to).
Plus, it's unclear if Mab ever got 'orders' in the process. Seems to me like she's an ally agreeing on a plan rather than a 'private' getting orders.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 10, 2017, 11:23:39 PM ---Hmm, well, I didn't see it written out that way, but I suppose others may have considered that to fall under the 'any truely Holy Man' option.
I don't know, seems to me like Uriel (if playing by the rules) has plenty of leeway. I don't think he has to go back to TWG and get official approval before he acts; he knows Divine Law as clearly as Toot knows Winter Law (else he'd inevitably mess up and Fall without meaning to).
Plus, it's unclear if Mab ever got 'orders' in the process. Seems to me like she's an ally agreeing on a plan rather than a 'private' getting orders.
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She may feel like she is agreeing, but in Ghost Story it is clear that Uriel had the authority to push his plan, and she had no choice but to go along. Uriel may have wiggle room but he cannot color outside of the lines, and face it, if an archangel falls it is a super big deal..
Quantus:
Ya, Im firmly of the opinion that Uriel and Mab never had any direct communication. He acted, she was simply forced to REact. But she had no say and no opportunity or offer to Agree or Disagree.
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