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What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 29, 2017, 05:48:27 AM ---If Chauncy was telling the truth about the werewolf curse, I wonder why a Saint was cast it, and why TWG would allow it.
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It must have been a gave offense indeed, if the sin of the father is extended to the innocent descendants of his family..
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 29, 2017, 12:27:24 PM --- It must have been a gave offense indeed, if the sin of the father is extended to the innocent descendants of his family..
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That's assuming it was a punishment, and not a willing sacrifice or Long-term "good" or some such. Which so far TWG always seems to require, if not always full Informed Consent.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 28, 2017, 08:45:04 PM ---I dont think that has bearing anymore; we're agreed that in the they have to be Alive yes? Unless we're considering the definition of Saint to require the you "Die And Get Better" like Harry?
This feels like a logical loop. Your saying it would be a big deal because TWG "owns" the term Saint, but that assumed ownership would exist if you already Consider TWG to be a Big Deal. Historically/RL the term Saint is not at all restricted to Christianity; that's just the most common (and arguably most formal) use of the term that drove it's globalization.
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Not at all. That's why there are saints and Saints.
Per biblical source (Paul I believe, but haven't looked it up yet), all followers of TWC are saints. Be they alive or in their graves, they are saints. Saints are those who have passed away, but are recognized as having attained paradise.
The argument that it would require someone to be a saint to lead a mob against an elder of the Black Court Vamps is a fallacy as well.
And you have to realize that while they don't get the press, there were saints who led mobs against great evil (in the form of a BCV elder or some other thing) that weren't successful. That doesn't make them any less of a saint. It just means that they weren't as successful as other saints. And the others who were successful are the ones who got the better press and often were canonized and recognized as a Saint.
I mean look at all the martyrs who died unsuccessfully fighting against an evil, but are recognized as Saints.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 29, 2017, 01:34:30 PM ---That's assuming it was a punishment, and not a willing sacrifice or Long-term "good" or some such. Which so far TWG always seems to require, if not always full Informed Consent.
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But if it was a willing sacrifice, then Finn would be a saint, wouldn't he? Or at least a martyr.. Also wouldn't he have considered it a blessing instead of a curse? Not sure what long time good could come from a Loop randomly killing innocents every full moon until the end of time. I may be wrong but I think cursing someone or putting a curse on someone is the same as damning them..
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 29, 2017, 04:15:59 PM ---But if it was a willing sacrifice, then Finn would be a saint, wouldn't he? Or at least a martyr.. Also wouldn't he have considered it a blessing instead of a curse? Not sure what long time good could come from a Loop randomly killing innocents every full moon until the end of time. I may be wrong but I think cursing someone or putting a curse on someone is the same as damning them..
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Looked at from TWG's perspective, those "innocents" are just being sent back home (to heaven). Being a soul, having a body, or being a spiritual being having a physical experience, dying isn't a bad thing. So from that perspective it's not a curse.
And causing someone to become a killing machine does not necessarily damn them. If it's against their will, then it's not their fault and thus they will not be judged murderers.
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