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Making magic stick against Outsiders [series spoilers]

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peregrine:

--- Quote from: Sully on September 12, 2013, 02:07:02 AM ---Pretty sure Denarians don't have soulfire.  And that most of them aren't wizards.  Which is kind of required to use soulfire.

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The demons had soulfire, now they have hellfire.  Because they're demons, and you get one or the other.

Serack:

--- Quote from: peregrine on September 12, 2013, 05:20:59 AM ---The demons had soulfire, now they have hellfire.  Because they're demons, and you get one or the other.

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Source WoJ:


--- Quote ---“Does the same apply to hellfire/soulfire. What would happen if Harry were to take up Lasciel’s coin and then try to use soulfire and hellfire together? Would that result in Harry dying horribly?”
Those are different. They’re really two sides of the same coin–but they can’t really exist together like that. They aren’t explosively reactive, but they aren’t additive, either. Which one came into the person to be used would depend on the person who was using it, and what they were using it for.
Angelic types have access to both. Which one they use is partially what determines what /kind/ of angels they are.
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kdx7214:

--- Quote from: Tami Seven on September 10, 2013, 06:24:42 PM ---Lash said Circumstances of his birth, more so than just the date IIRC. We can't consider the year as significant,  not yet anyway, since even JB is having a hard time deciding on his year of birth. We do know his date of birth, who his parents were, possibly even approximate time of birth if my own theory holds based on events in BR and how Maggie died either while giving birth or just after.

We don't yet know for certain what other Circumstances may have played into this, but I believe that there must have been others.

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Well, we know from CD that on Harry's birthday the immortals reacquire (or fight for, or whatever) the power they wield.  I would guess that Harry being born on Halloween plus some other circumstances around said birth resulted in the Starborn status.

the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:

--- Quote from: Tami Seven on September 10, 2013, 06:24:42 PM ---Lash said Circumstances of his birth, more so than just the date IIRC.

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"Complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances" seems to me to pretty much rule out it being the date alone.

(Always presuming Lash isn't lying.)

Mira:

--- Quote ---ya it seems like Harry's time as a ghost was a major learning experience for him. he learned some of exerting his control over his surroundings like what was pointed out in the excerpt. so ya not only his starborn but his training in GS helps.
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  Very much so, especially, soul fire, he seemed to have gain a deeper understanding of what it is, and thus how to use it to greater effect. 

Fighting with his own reality Outsiders fits, because in Cold Days that is just what Harry does.  When Sharkface goes into his head, Harry counters with the image of himself as a really bad ass wizard, with staff pulling down power from the sky and the power of the whole island behind him, names his name and demands Sharkface's name in return.. Gets it, then kills him.

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