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Making magic stick against Outsiders [series spoilers]
Serack:
Thanks guys! Lil Serack climbed out of his crib for the first time yesterday, and my afternoon/evening was spent altering the crib into a day bed and procuring/installing a safety bar for it at Mrs. Serack's behest. I'd already spent so much effort formatting it (and reply #5, which is where I introduced the unformatting of the OP) that I was not looking forward to reworking it again.
--- Quote from: knnn on September 11, 2013, 01:45:58 AM ---Two thoughts:
1) The WoJ says that Elaine and Harry were born a couple of months apart. This weakens the argument that Halloween is a key component/
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Or maybe they have different flavors/qualities of closely related confluences involved in their potential Starborn genesis?
--- Quote from: knnn on September 11, 2013, 01:45:58 AM ---2) Lash's comments seem to indicate that "someone else" was manipulating things - i.e. giving Maggie the strength to leave Raith. Maggie may have been aware that she was a pawn and likely became a willing participant in the plan, but she apparently wasn't the prime mover.
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Hmmm, the line is "Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for a reason." (bolding mine, itallics the text's) I don't think this is necessarily apparent, but it certainly seems possible, and even likely considering how Harry seems to have been manipulated.
Although I am going to say that Harry has been the prime mover of his fate with manipulation of varying degrees depending on the degree of mortality of the manipulator. See in my paradigm for this topic, Harry's ability to be a fulcrum depends on his free will. He had to chose to accept Mab's deal of 3 favors for his "eventual" riddance of Mab's influence. He had to chose to be the Winter Knight. He had to chose to go back to the mortal realm as a ghost. And it is entirely likely that similar things happened to Margret.
The idea that the "strength" Margret found to escape Lord Raith was found externaly from herself seems quite viable though.
Edit: Other than fleshing out the excerpt where Vadderung calls Harry a fulcrum again in CD, my next plans for this topic are to apply these thoughts to the other 2 or 3 times Harry has defied a Walker (the HWWB exposition in GS, the first encounter with HWWB4 in CD, and maybe the HWWB cameo in BR)
Edit: changed from HHWB/HHWB4 to HWWB/HWWB4, silly engineer can't spell.
knnn:
WAG:
The memory scene in GS affords tangible evidence that HHWB was trying to shape Harry, preparing him for something. To me, this is evidence that a starborn's power is a two-edged weapon. What if HHWB is the prime mover behind Maggie leaving Lord Raith in the first place (and then Maggie pulled a double-cross or something)?
FWIW:
My current theory is that HHWB was trying to goad Harry to go back and kill Justin in a magic duel, thus opening him up to a corrupting influence. Even if Black Magic corruption is not identical to Nemesis corruption, it's probably easier for Nemesis to infect someone who has already turned to the dark side.
kazimmoinuddin:
Wanna bet soul/hell fire magics are effective against outsiders? so denarians will be used to fight them. So a reason for harry to steal the coins from the church if need be. Also, it is known the sword have the power to counter them.
The same for necromancy and black magic, so the black staff will be key in fighting them with out going batshit insane.
If the sihda are the guardians of the universe, it makes sense their power can harm the outsiders, so both the knights of the courts will be important. While winter hold the gates, summer will deal with the forces of the infiltrators.
Sully:
Pretty sure Denarians don't have soulfire. And that most of them aren't wizards. Which is kind of required to use soulfire.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Sully on September 12, 2013, 02:07:02 AM --- And that most of them aren't wizards. Which is kind of required to use soulfire.
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Do we know that enhancing wizardy-type spells is the only thing soulfire can be used for ?
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