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Making magic stick against Outsiders [series spoilers]

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Mira:

--- Quote ---Quote from: knnn on September 10, 2013, 06:45:58 PM

    2) Lash's comments seem to indicate that "someone else" was manipulating things - i.e. giving Maggie the strength to leave Raith.  Maggie may have been aware that she was a pawn and likely became a willing participant in the plan, but she apparently wasn't the prime mover.
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  In his journal in Turn Coat, Eb says that very thing...
page378 Turn Coat hard cover

--- Quote ---I sometimes can't help but think that there is such a thing as fate--or at least a higher power of some sort, attempting to arrange events in our favor despite everything we, in our ignorance, do to thwart it.
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So... Odin, Mab, Uriel [his boss is God] Titania, take your pick or take all of them, higher powers do have their fingers in the pie.

vultur:

--- Quote from: Serack on September 12, 2013, 07:28:31 PM ---Agreed, that's why I used the term "involves."  Hmmm, a list of things that might need to be in the cauldron where the "Complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances" mix together to form a potential Starborn


* Some unidentified celestial event
* One Wizardly parent
* One "good" yet mundane parent
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As another possibility, apparently Maggie Sr turned her life around after meeting Malcolm. Maybe it's that dramatic change, as an expression of free will, that's critical -- especially if starborn powers are will based.

vultur:
Also, this is a great theory!

The "redefining reality" bit explains why Fae can fight Outsiders with swords and stuff (swords don't require imposing your will on reality 'magically'), which didn't really make sense in my "they're just too alien to be affected" theory.


--- Quote from: knnn on September 11, 2013, 01:45:58 AM ---Two thoughts:

1) The WoJ says that Elaine and Harry were born a couple of months apart.  This weakens the argument that Halloween is a key component/

2) Lash's comments seem to indicate that "someone else" was manipulating things - i.e. giving Maggie the strength to leave Raith.  Maggie may have been aware that she was a pawn and likely became a willing participant in the plan, but she apparently wasn't the prime mover.

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Serack:
This topic was only recently locked, and someone mentioned a desire to comment so I am unlocking it.  Past experience is that such unlocks only last about a day anyways.

wizard nelson:
Subverting a power source, or adding one known to effect outsiders makes it stick too. In CD sharkface obsorbs Harrys force blast but, and it would seem unintentional, as soon as winter starts reacting to the knowledge of outsiders it hurts. Besides the Artic fire more telling is that even not drawing on magic his fist coats with Ice. I speculate Wizards who use faith magic or call upon powerful entities might effect them too.

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