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Making magic stick against Outsiders [series spoilers]
Serack:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 12, 2013, 03:05:07 PM ---"Complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances" seems to me to pretty much rule out it being the date alone.
(Always presuming Lash isn't lying.)
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As I said in Reply #5, I associate Lash's description of how Harry gained the "potential to wield power over outsiders" with Bob's description of a "conjunction"
--- Quote from: CD Ch 11 --- "Right then!" Bob said. "The only way to kill an immortal is at certain specific places."
"And you know one? Where?'
"Hah, already you're making a human assumption. There are more than three dimensions, Harry. Not all places are in space. Some of them are places in time. They're called conjunctions."
"I know about conjunctions, Bob," I said, annoyed. "When stars and planets align. You can use them to support heavy-duty magic sometimes."
"That's one way to measure a conjunction." said the skull. "But stars and planets are ultimately just measuring stakes used to describe a position in time. And that's one way to use a conjunction, but they do other things, too."
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To me there is a lot of "you're a mortal that can hardly encompass this concept" handwaving going on here that makes me think that if my hunch that the "conjunction" idea and the "complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances" are related in some way, then the "starborn conjunction" might have been about something more than just a date.
By the way, I highlighted the "when stars and planets align" line of that quote, because maybe a starborn conjunction involves a period of time like when "Saturn is in the constellation Badger and Jupiter is in 'Retrograde Motion'" or some such.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Serack on September 12, 2013, 06:18:23 PM ---By the way, I highlighted the "when stars and planets align" line of that quote, because maybe a starborn conjunction involves a period of time like when "Saturn is in the constellation Badger and Jupiter is in 'Retrograde Motion'" or some such.
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I can totally see that as necessary, but I don't see that it can be sufficient unto being a starborn, because we know Elaine is six months or so younger than Harry, and we have that WoJ that she's a potential starborn, and an astronomical conjunction covering that long a span of time being the only relevant condition would give us starborn by the millions.
Serack:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 12, 2013, 07:00:54 PM ---I can totally see that as necessary, but I don't see that it can be sufficient unto being a starborn, because we know Elaine is six months or so younger than Harry, and we have that WoJ that she's a potential starborn, and an astronomical conjunction covering that long a span of time being the only relevant condition would give us starborn by the millions.
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Agreed, that's why I used the term "involves." Hmmm, a list of things that might need to be in the cauldron where the "Complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances" mix together to form a potential Starborn
* Some unidentified celestial event
* One Wizardly parent
* One "good" yet mundane parent
* The dubious attention of a Walker during the event of the birth (The curse that killed Margret)
* Geological location/lay lines?
* Travel during gestation (picture of pregnant Margret at the Lincoln Memorial)
* Binding to a special piece of silver (IMO something special and yet to be revealed is going on with that amulet, and Elane has one too)
* Heavenly attention?
* Hell's attention?
* W[R]ampire attention? (I forsee some significance with their tie-in to "Empty Night")
* Fae Attention?
* Something the Gatekeeper provided?
* Suggestions?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Serack on September 12, 2013, 07:28:31 PM ---Agreed, that's why I used the term "involves." Hmmm, a list of things that might need to be in the cauldron where the "Complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances" mix together to form a potential Starborn
* Some unidentified celestial event
* One Wizardly parent
* One "good" yet mundane parent
* The dubious attention of a Walker during the event of the birth (The curse that killed Margret)
* Geological location/lay lines?
* Travel during gestation (picture of pregnant Margret at the Lincoln Memorial)
* Binding to a special piece of silver (IMO something special and yet to be revealed is going on with that amulet, and Elane has one too)
* Heavenly attention?
* Hell's attention?
* W[R]ampire attention? (I forsee some significance with their tie-in to "Empty Night")
* Fae Attention?
* Something the Gatekeeper provided?
* Suggestions?
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I suspect that "mother dying in childbirth" may be an ingredient.
kazimmoinuddin:
could harry have this power due to maggie sacrificing herself to protect harry, and making the deal with lea?
The swords seem like they use the power of soul fire to fight the badness. if soul fire is the same as hell fire, just what fuels it, does that mean possibly the swords could channel hell fire.
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