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Santa Claus is a Fae reference collection [CD Spoilers]
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 10:33:22 PM --- (click to show/hide)I don't think Fae can become gods normally. They could probably take on the Mantle of a god sure but actually permanently turning into a god? Eeeh.
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(click to show/hide)Eh, I really don't think gods are any specific being. Just powerful immortals that choose to represent themselves as such. Jim has stated that Mab has numerous names, its entirely possible that she has played the part of a Goddess at some point.
I could peg her for playing the Hera role in ancient Greece.
As for Santa, I've suggested elsewhere that Odin might have taken somebody like Oberon's mantle & added to his own.
Now that I think on it, why couldn't Odin have issues with Iron, the same way Harry does. Harry, as Winter Knight, can touch Iron just fine. He just has issues when it gets under his skin.
Odin, even with the mantle, doesn't have Fae origins, so the Iron might only bug him in the same fashion. And maybe to a much lesser degree.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 31, 2012, 10:49:21 PM ---fae/sidhe/ have ben worshipped as gods before. some are now. last i checked, there were about 400,000 pagans on the planet. Mab (under her various names) has real life worshippers, in the real world, right now. so does the erlking.
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There are lots of fictional works that have gods as a distinct class of entities from other supernatural beings (faeries,demons etc). I was assuming that the Dresdenverse was following suit. If you define a god in the Dresdenverse as "anything that has worshipers" than yes, Mab is a god.
As I stated before, we don't actually know what makes a god a god in the Dresdenverse so this line of discussion is IMO pretty pointless.
EDIT: Should I just add [CD Spoilers] in the subject line. All this spoilering is IMO getting annoying...
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 11:23:33 PM --- (click to show/hide)There are lots of fictional works that have gods as a distinct class of entities from other supernatural beings (faeries,demons etc). I was assuming that the Dresdenverse was following suit. If you define a god in the Dresdenverse as "anything that has worshipers" than yes, Mab is a god.
As I stated before, we don't actually know what makes a god a god in the Dresdenverse so this line of discussion is IMO pretty pointless.
EDIT: Should I just add [CD Spoilers] in the subject line. All this spoilering is IMO getting annoying...
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sure !
(click to show/hide)but is fun
(click to show/hide)Harry makes the disticintion between 'gods' (Mab, Odin) and 'GODS' (the WG, Zeus).. and i very strongly suspect there are also GODS above those.. Ferrovax served something after all, and I dont think its a human god. But in the text at least, mab is very much reffered to as a god. ;D
vultur:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 10:33:22 PM --- (click to show/hide)Of course since we don't really have an exact definition for what a god is in the Dresdenverse we really can't debate about it all that well...
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Odin seems to think the Lords of Outer Night count (or at least used to), and they're just super-powered Rampires. In "Welcome to the Jungle" the Hecatean hag was trying an ascension rite, which would apparently make her something like Hecate. Harry says the Darkhallow would have made a necromancer into a god -- and that's entirely unrelated to worship.
My guess is that a god (lower-case) can start out as anything (human, Rampire, hag, etc.), and then has a big power source/mantle of power/whatever slapped on top.
--- Quote ---We don't actually know that mortal belief causes gods to grow in power. It's very ambiguous. We do know that gods are tied to the world by mortal belief though.
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Tied to the world by mortal knowledge (not necessarily belief), I think.
Orloth:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 10:07:33 PM --- (click to show/hide)Iron hurts Fae because they are Fae.
The Fae are mercurial beings of changing temperment. They are constantly changing and shifting. Iron on the other hand is a potent symbol of industrialism. We use it in large amounts of our devices. It is one of the most stable elements and one of the elements most closely tied with humanity. The Fae are beings of chaos while iron is an element of order. It carries tremendous symbolic power (and symbolism is closely tied to magic in the DFverse).
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Thanks for that. You completely missed my point, and helped it along at the same time.
--- Quote from: vultur on January 01, 2013, 02:09:41 AM ---Tied to the world by mortal knowledge (not necessarily belief), I think.
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From a limited mortal stand point, there isn't much difference between gods gaining power through mortal knowledge/belief and gods gaining influence over the world through mortal knowledge/belief. But I think you are largely right (or at least Bob might compliment your understanding of it).
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