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Santa Claus is a Fae reference collection [CD Spoilers]
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Just putting this here so that I can put this thread in the Reference Collection Index and not have this collection lost to time (and have to retype it).
From Storm Front, Chapter 6:
--- Quote ---Santa is a much bigger and more powerful faery than Toot, and I don't know his true name anyway. You'd never see me trying to nab Saint Nick in a magic circle even if I did. I don't think anyone has stones that big.
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From page 50 of the DFRPG-Our World:
--- Quote ---The "Wyld Courts": There are a couple of powerful Sidhe on par with the Faerie Queens-the Earlking is on of them, and it's rumored-DON'T LAUGH!-that Santa Claus (a brownie Sidhe) may be another.
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From the WoJ compilation:
--- Quote ---Priscillie asked Jim if the Erlking is Wyldfae at DragonCon and posted this reply:
Jim: He is wyldfae. He isn't a subject of Mab or Titania. That's what Wyldfae means. But his origins are in the Summer-side of the cycle of seasons, just like Titania's are.
Ditto Santa, only in Winter.
(He /is/ beholden to Mother Summer, but basically everyone in Faerie is, so.)
(I mean, that's like saying "you must obey the law of gravity." Duh.)
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From the 2012 JimButcher AMA Reddit Q&A:
--- Quote ---Dudesan: You've described Santa Claus as being the Winter King. What does that title mean? Do Winter and Summer each have a trinity of Father/King/Prince, like they do with Mother/Queen/Lady? Is the King necessarily the consort of the Queen? If so, will we be seeing Oberon at some point?
Jim: 5) The Faerie realms just aren't that structured. It's more accurate to say that he is /a/ Winter King. Or even more accurately, that he is a free Wyld Fae who is of a power level that is on par with Mab's and happens to neighbor her sphere of influence, and finds it simpler to show up to family dinners during the holidays and make polite than to start staking out boundaries and establishing treaties.
Oberon... well, the guy kind of wound up between Mab and Titania in one of those romantic triangle things, back around Shakespeare's day. He didn't make it.
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EDIT: From the recent KC signing:
--- Quote ---Is Kringle Fae?
Is Kringle Fae? His mantle, yes, is part of the Winter Court. Which does not necessarily mean that he himself is Fae as much as the fact that his mantle is. While he’s there, he’s got to pay deference to Mab. If Mab gives him a command, he has to obey it. Mab’s too smart to throw him many commands, it’s much smarter to just let him do his thing. Because it’s this mysterious Christmas-y stuff anyway, cheer and goodwill, whatever. She supposes it’s good to have somebody like that for PR. That at times could be useful. It’s like, oh, so, Winter Court, whole season of death, evil, but then it’s like, yeah, Christmas! Oh, wow, yeah, you’re right. It’s like the schools are trying to buy the tobacco company. **unintelligible** It’s something of the same thing. And besides which, if she doesn’t give him a bunch of orders and stuff, then basically, when she does go to him and say, “I need to know something”, that really, what can you do, this is our game of give-and-take. So, in a way, it’s not really a subservient relationship, Mab’s too smart for it to be that.
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Incidently, this also confirms my thought that Odin only becomes Fae when he dons the Mantle of Kringle ;D.
EDIT: upon rereading I think this should actually be in the non-spoiler section. Mods?
KevinSig:
You missed this one...
--- Quote ---She gave me a look of skepticism you can really only get from children who have recently gone through the sobering trauma of discovering that there is no Santa Claus. (Ironically, there is–but he can’t operate on the sort of scale that used to make everyone believe in him. More modern living.)
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Plus, there's the one from Changes about Santa playing football.
Yes, they aren't specifically references to Santa being a member of the Fae, but they do add a bit to the background.
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--- Quote from: KevinSig on December 31, 2012, 11:16:50 AM ---You missed this one...
Plus, there's the one from Changes about Santa playing football.
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Those don't say anything about Santa being a Fae though. It's pretty clear that Santa exists in the Dresdenverse. I created this list specifically for the people on the forums who doubted that Santa was one of the Fae.
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 11:18:33 AM ---Those don't say anything about Santa being a Fae though. It's pretty clear that Santa exists in the Dresdenverse. I created this list specifically for the people on the forums who doubted that Santa was one of the Fae.
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Well, I have my niggling little doubts, (click to show/hide)as Odin's entire office was made of stainless steel. And Santa's mail armor appeared to be steel, but Harry thinks it must have obviously been something else.
And I didn't pick up that he had to commit to the truth, like Mab might.
I guess it comes down to what exactly makes a member of the Fae, Fae to begin with.
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--- Quote from: KevinSig on December 31, 2012, 11:50:28 AM ---Well, I have my niggling little doubts, as Odin's entire office was made of stainless steel. And Santa's mail armor appeared to be steel, but Harry thinks it must have obviously been something else.
And I didn't pick up that he had to commit to the truth, like Mab might.
I guess it comes down to what exactly makes a member of the Fae, Fae to begin with.
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My thinking is that Odin turns into a Fae when he dons the Mantle of Santa Claus. Also, I can't recall Santa lying anywhere in CD.
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