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Santa Claus is a Fae reference collection [CD Spoilers]
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 12:10:34 PM --- (click to show/hide)I don't think this is true because Odin himself has 0 connections to Faeries in any of the myths. Heck, the only Fae connections I can see with Santa are the "elves" (may be brownies in the Dresdenverse) that work in his workshop.
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(click to show/hide)beg pardon, but santa has tons of connections to faeries in the myths. they just werent called faeries. they were called Vanir (friendly people is one well known translation). also of course the svartalves, and other folks. Heck one of Odin's wives was the Jotun Queen of Winter.
the Eddas are composed of a mix of germanic, celtic,scandanvain and christain mythologies. lots of fae in there.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 31, 2012, 03:44:59 PM ---beg pardon, but santa has tons of connections to faeries in the myths. they just werent called faeries. they were called Vanir (friendly people is one well known translation). also of course the svartalves, and other folks. Heck one of Odin's wives was the Jotun Queen of Winter.
the Eddas are composed of a mix of germanic, celtic,scandanvain and christain mythologies. lots of fae in there.
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Huh...goes to show how much I know about norse mythology :P. Still, to my knowledge there's no indication in the myths that Odin himself is a Faerie.
Off-topic question: Do you think the Jotun are Winter Fae (and that the Jotun Queen of Winter is Mab or a Mantle of Mab's)? Gard calls the Fomor "cousins of the Jotun" and we know that there was a ton of interbreeding between the Fomor and the Fae ages ago...
If this is true than a potentially interesting way to go would be for both Kings of the Courts to be the consorts of the Queens (as opposed to the Knights who are consort to all 3 of the trinity). This would have played into the "Kings are the opposite of Queens in their given season" thing that the Kings had going on. Unfortunately we know Jim has chosen a different direction due to this WoJ:
--- Quote ---Dudesan: You've described Santa Claus as being the Winter King. What does that title mean? Do Winter and Summer each have a trinity of Father/King/Prince, like they do with Mother/Queen/Lady? Is the King necessarily the consort of the Queen? If so, will we be seeing Oberon at some point?
Jim: 5) The Faerie realms just aren't that structured. It's more accurate to say that he is /a/ Winter King. Or even more accurately, that he is a free Wyld Fae who is of a power level that is on par with Mab's and happens to neighbor her sphere of influence, and finds it simpler to show up to family dinners during the holidays and make polite than to start staking out boundaries and establishing treaties.
Oberon... well, the guy kind of wound up between Mab and Titania in one of those romantic triangle things, back around Shakespeare's day. He didn't make it.
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Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 06:16:49 PM --- (click to show/hide)Huh...goes to show how much I know about norse mythology :P. Still, to my knowledge there's no indication in the myths that Odin himself is a Faerie.
Off-topic question: Do you think the Jotun are Winter Fae (and that the Jotun Queen of Winter is Mab or a Mantle of Mab's)? Gard calls the Fomor "cousins of the Jotun" and we know that there was a ton of interbreeding between the Fomor and the Fae ages ago...
If this is true than a potentially interesting way to go would be for both Kings of the Courts to be the consorts of the Queens (as opposed to the Knights who are consort to all 3 of the trinity). This would have played into the "Kings are the opposite of Queens in their given season" thing that the Kings had going on. Unfortunately we know Jim has chosen a different direction due to this WoJ:
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(click to show/hide)it depends on how much weight you want to give Odin's words in changes. if you do believe him, then its very very likely he was the 'Jarl of Summer' back in the days when the balance was kept by Aesir Vs Jotuns, not summer sidhe/ winter sidhe as now.
I suspect the people change, but the purpose does not; the idea is one can go back even farther and find things like
gods/ titans
tians/ chtonics
chtonics/ dragons
almost all relgions share the idea of a 'nature goddess' and some sort of personifactions for summer/ winter..
this leads to this:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452282.html#msg1452282
Arcane:
Here's a quote that might be relevant to Santa's true nature.
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--- Quote from: Cold Days, Page 38 ---Kringle let out another rumbling laugh. It absolutely filled the air around him. "Surely you knew I made my home among the beings of Faerie. Did you think I would be a vassal of Summer lad?"
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Note the operative word. He doesn't say to Harry that he is a being of Faerie, just that he made his home among them. That could suggest that while he dons a Faerie mantle, he is not necessarily of Faerie himself. A situation similar to Harry, in fact. Harry's a mortal with the Winter Knight Mantle. And Odin could be a god wearing (at least from Halloween to Christmas) the Winter King Mantle of Santa Claus.
Orloth:
(click to show/hide)One thing that I think is getting in the way here is the Iron weakness. Are Fae weak to Iron because they are Fae? or is there something special about Iron that disrupts Ectoplasmic energies? Has it always been so? or is that one of the rules that has changed over time (like Wizard's spoiling milk)? ((Isn't Iron the most atomically stable of elements? That might have something to do with it.)) What is also important, to my mind, is what Iron does to Harry in CD. Whenever he gets iron under his skin, he stops being the Knight until it is removed.
We also know that many notable figures in the NeverNever were once Mortals who, after having accrued enough power and maybe a few worshipers, became something else. Maybe Iron is used as a leveler to cancel out some of that power, setting the individual back at something closer to mortal. To those who are no longer anything resembling Human, it can be lethal (like mixing a Cyborg and an EMP), but to those who have maintained some semblance of self over the years, it is much more like simply switching a business suit for lounge wear. Therefore, Kringle is who he is with the power he currently has, Vadderung is who is in when he is at home and can kick off his shoes. (To this end, I wouldn't be surprised if Dresden rigged up something similar so that he wouldn't have to deal with the WK urges on his off hours. Maybe just a thumbtack on the arm.)
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