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Duels between mortal Practitioners and the Law of Magic
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: meh on April 28, 2010, 04:24:51 PM ---So all I need to do is mindream a magical critter like Arianna and then use /her/ magic against your dueling wizard and there's nothing the Laws can do about it.
That's a reasonable way to create golems, sure, thanks.
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Yes, because it's not like you need to absolutely believe in whatever you do with magic...oh, wait, you do.
So forcing someone to kill with mind control absolutely breaks the First Law as well as the Fourth. You can get around the Fourth by using a non-human monster, but not the First.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: meh on April 28, 2010, 04:15:57 PM ---If the Laws work the way you say they work, then there is a huge logical flaw in the concept of Blackstaff.
Witness:
Time A: I use Blackstaff to zorch a section of railroad over a bridge, leaving it looking ok but fundamentally weak, intending to kill someone on train.
Time A+30minutes: I lose Blackstaff to someone else.
Time A+2hrs: Train hits bridge, peeps die.
Do the Laws apply or do they not?
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We have no idea how the Blackstaff works (beyond it somehow helping to shield it's bearer from the internal price of breaking the Laws). Using it as an example is thus silly.
meh:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 28, 2010, 04:27:17 PM ---Yes, because it's not like you need to absolutely believe in whatever you do with magic...oh, wait, you do.
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mindream can install complete belief /easy/. And the originating practitioner completely believes in mindreaming nonhuman monsters.
meh:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 28, 2010, 04:32:06 PM ---We have no idea how the Blackstaff works (beyond it somehow helping to shield it's bearer from the internal price of breaking the Laws).
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The possibilty of existence of an item that can mask intent from consequence negates the following:
--- Quote ---Using it as an example is thus silly.
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KOFFEYKID:
Meh is right, all you have to do is Mindrape some supernat critter, and make it utterly devoted to you, and your protection. Then just have it guard you. No 4th lawbreaker since its not a human, and you can give it commands verbally (without magic) to kill and avoid a 1st lawbreaker.
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