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Falar:
And I guess I just fall under a very different us and them mentality. You're not the same person once you turn. You've gone monster. You may have memories of your old self and all that jazz, but you're not your old self. The demon that lay in you, trying to get you to turn over control is now totally running the show. He's not sitting their cheering you on to eat a human. He's you now. The hunger half is now all in control. You might be there in some way, shape or form, but you're not even in the copilot seat anymore. You're in the passenger seat. And not even first class, or business. You, sir, are all the way back in coach class, in the middle of an aisle between a fat guy and a lady with an annoying voice who just won't stop talking.

Moriden:

--- Quote ---Most games won't allow a serial pedophile/child murderer, despite that not having any Refresh cost at all, and the character likely being fully possessed of his own will.
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A strong argument could be made that such people are "consumed by there nature" actually. alote of research suggests that they cant stop themselves weather they want to or not. so id traet such people as ones who took to many mortal stunts. and ran out of refresh. If you wanted to play a mortal charecter with the compulsion to kill id probably treat it in a similar way, your fighting against it, but if your refresh gose to low. you lost your "free will" and its now to much apart of you to resist.

This is entirely my opinion

Moriden:

--- Quote ---The hunger half is now all in control.
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This actually comes up in regards to red court (click to show/hide)in changes. personally if someone wanted to play a full red court vamp and it fit the rest of the game id allow it, but id also allow  a full demon if you could justify it, and i personally dont put much stock in free will vs nature as a deciding line weather to play.

I kinda have to view it purely as a game balance issue. because if i was stating myself i would very firmly be in the nature camp not the free will one. various forms of ocd, and antisocial disorder make people extremely averse to acting in new or unusual ways. i view acting "improperly" and put a great deal of stock in "tradition and custom" as a grave sin for example. so it takes a great deal to get me to even consider doing something like lieing. In fact the way the Fae are portrayed makes a great deal of sense to me.

Deadmanwalking:
Speaking as a Psych Major, there's an element of truth in what you say regarding child molesters and others with uncontrollable compulsions...but only an element. People, all people, can still choose, some choices are just more difficult than others. Some of them require work, a lot of it, and some people don't choose to break their patterns. Which can be either good or bad depending on the pattern in question. But everyone can do it if they have the strength of will and the motivation.

The FATE system, while by no means an accurate simulation of the human psyche, actually handles this fairly well, via the ability to refuse Compels but only at a cost. But that applies to everyone, not just people with diagnosed disorders or issues. People with those kinds of things just have 'Aspects' that result in more societally inappropriate compels, not necessarily less Fate Points to throw around.

Moriden:

--- Quote ---But that applies to everyone, not just people with diagnosed disorders or issues. People with those kinds of things just have 'Aspects' that result in more societally inappropriate compels, not necessarily less Fate Points to throw around.
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Okay for example. For me to even consider lieing i would have to be facing something very compelling. such as lie or go to jail, lie or get your house repossesd. Even in such drastic situations i would be far more likly to word something in a technically truthful manor then to actually lie. and there are several other "taboos" that i am more or less constrained by. to me its this kind of thing that they mean when they say a human can be "constrained by there nature" meaning essentially that a pc who has become an npc can not act outside of its aspects, trouble , and calling. im certainly not argueing that this is a realistic interpretation of the majority of people or that fate is a good model for human behavior simply useing my self as an example of  a verry specific thing.

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