The Dresden Files > DFRPG
The First Law Question.
Korwin:
--- Quote from: Moriden on April 24, 2010, 03:17:43 PM ---honestly its not a bad stunt to take piont wise. and if your intent is to kill a rampant murder you should probably have it, my objection is entirely based around the fact that the system says that you are unplayable if you have x levels of stunts. and that x is variable depending on gm fiat, in my opinion the pyromancer with full lawbreaker:first and hellfire should be the one that faces "went mad and cant be played" while the full wizard with 2 levels of refinement who "accidentally" breaks a law should not be.
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In my opinion too.
The existence of the Lawbreaker stunt implies that a Char. should be playable as long as he has enough refresh.
Thats not really the case...
KOFFEYKID:
I think that the Gatekeeper doesn't have a lawbreaker, and here is why.
To get a lawbreaker you have to do magic. The only law that mentions not even doing magic is the 7th. My guess is that studying the outer gates doesn't give you a lawbeaker (the stunt), but gives you the social consequences of a lawbreaker. Since the Gatekeeper is basically appointed to do that, he doesn't suffer from the social consequences.
Moriden:
--- Quote ---To get a lawbreaker you have to do magic. The only law that mentions not even doing magic is the 7th. My guess is that studying the outer gates doesn't give you a lawbeaker (the stunt), but gives you the social consequences of a lawbreaker. Since the Gatekeeper is basically appointed to do that, he doesn't suffer from the social consequences.
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Hes definitely using that knowledge to cast spells.
--- Quote ---the gatekeeper not only has done research but has also used that knowledge to cast wards on the outer gates. and to use magic that successfully works against the outsiders would require knowing a goodly bit about them since with the exception of harry they are nigh invulnerable to magic.
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KOFFEYKID:
yeah, but the law is "Never Seek Knowledge and Power from Beyond the Outer Gates."
Casting wards on the outer gates isn't the same as breaching them. Now if he opened them up, and cast a ward on the other side, I guess you could give him a lawbreaker for that.
Moriden:
--- Quote ---yeah, but the law is "Never Seek Knowledge and Power from Beyond the Outer Gates."
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You are definitely correct. the wording of the law itself would say that hes clean, but everything else written about the law contradicts that. so i guess it comes down to what exactly is The seventh law, is it "Never Seek Knowledge and Power from Beyond the Outer Gates." or is it as the detailed description would lead us to believe, "Do not seek knowledge or power about the outer gates or the beings beyond them. "
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