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The First Law Question.

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surarrin:
So, we have a PC. He's a magical bomb maker, and he's doing some work for the Fellowship.

He makes magical bombs for them to take out RC, now eventually some collateral will happen.

So, the question is, who here is responsible for breaking the First Law.

The Agent from the Fellowship, or the PC for making the bomb?

Another example is Harry's Kinetic ring, say someone stole it, and used it to kill a mortal.

Is he the one responsible, or the person who used it?

KnightFerrous:
I'd say the person who stole the ring is responsible and would get the lawbreaker stunt...

However, your PC still has to avoid the wardens for essentially handing out First Law violations to the fellowship. He may not get the stunt but he is still being ethically irresponsible when it comes to the First Law.

luminos:
This would be a dark, dark, dark, dark grey area of the law.  I'd think the warders are definitely going to try to snicker snack the PC if they find out about this, and the PC would need to have some good justification for not taking a lawbreaker stunt (i.e. they can honestly claim that they never expected their bombs to kill mortals)

Deadmanwalking:
Yeah, the Laws are all about intent. He'd need to honestly believe it wasn't going to happen to not get one. So if there IS collateral damage, he should be likely be shocked and horrified, and if he keeps making bombs after that, I'd say he knows and give him Lawbreaker next time he builds one wheether there's a casualty or not...since he knows there could be.

And I don't think using an Item can result in a Lawbreaker stunt for a non-spellcaster. It just doesn't work that way. So I'd say in the second case, both Harry and the guy who stole the ring are clear of mystical consequences. Harry'd likely be in trouble with the Wardens if found out...and the guy'd be likely to wind up shot in the head if Harry found out. All of course assuming Harry's ring worked for other people (unlike the duster, it doesn't).

srl51676:
The application of the "Law Breaker stunt" and enforcement of the laws are completely separate. You gain the stunt by using black magic that stains your soul. having knowledge of the indiscriminate nature of bombs and the fact that RCVs are often in the company of mortals then using the power of life that you believe in to create a bomb should be enough to get you the stunt even if you never kill a mortal. All these threads arguing if this or that breaks the law are pointless, its like cheating on your wife, if you have to ask then the answer is yes.

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