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The First Law Question.

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Deadmanwalking:
Clearly not. At least, based on Harry not getting Lawbreaker for the thing with Sue in Dead Beat, or the potential human casualties in Grave Peril. There is clearly a grey area in the laws, or Harry would've been an NPC ages ago.

srl51676:
I would argue that as of Grave Peril Harry should have his second violation. He agonizes and rationalizes considerably about the possible mortal casualties in the fire. Sue on the other hand was under his control and there were few mortals left in the area. Unless someone was sitting in a car she stepped on which is a danger that could not be directly assumed from the nature of the spell. A bomb is an uncontrolled device meant to kill anyone in the area regardless of status since RCVs feed on mortals it can be assumed that any gathering of them worthy of a bomb will contain some mortals. Calling them "acceptable" losses does not make them unintentional. Anyone whose soul would not be stained by their deaths is already a sociopath and should be an NPC anyway.

Moriden:

--- Quote ---Clearly not. At least, based on Harry not getting Lawbreaker for the thing with Sue in Dead Beat, or the potential human casualties in Grave Peril. There is clearly a grey area in the laws, or Harry would've been an NPC ages ago
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To be completly fair. its entirely possible that harry is an npc.

Korwin:

--- Quote from: srl51676 on April 20, 2010, 02:52:50 AM ---Sue on the other hand was under his control and there were few mortals left in the area. Unless someone was sitting in a car she stepped on which is a danger that could not be directly assumed from the nature of the spell.

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Sue would'nt be a violation of the first law, but of the one against Necromancy.
He get to keep his head, because of an technically in the White Council Law, its not so clear (in the books) if his soul should be tainted by his actions.
But since there is an Lawbreaker-Power for Necromancy, in Game terms he should have gotten it.

Deadmanwalking:
No, he shouldn't, because Sue wasn't human. If he gets Lawbreaker-Fifth for that then he'd need to get Lawbreaker-First for all the Red Court and Ghouls he's slain with magic, and have all his Aspects vtwisted by that by this point. As will every PC wizard ever. Which is my point, there are grey areas.

As for the dead folks in Grave Peril, I'd say that's it's intent that matters, and Harry had no intention of killing them. He doesn't even know if he did, and a the time he wasn't thinking of the possibility of their survival. And his guilt means nothing, he felt guilty after killing people in Dead Beat...but he hadn't technically broken any of the Laws.

And the game is predicated on the assumption that Harry could be a PC, so saying that his actions do make him an NPC is just odd. If we can't play people like Harry, what's the point of it being the Dresden Files RPG?

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