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The First Law Question.
PirateJack:
But would that count if, on the off chance, no human had ever been killed by one of my bombs? It's an unlikely situation considering the nature of the things, but I've been arguing with one of the other players that you only get a Lawbreaker stunt once a human has been killed, no matter the intent that went into creating the bomb. After all, my driving goal here is to kill me some RC vamps, not to kill humans. (click to show/hide)Just like Harry's goal in burning the vamps in his office building is to kill them, not set the building on fire.
Moriden:
You definitely don't get the stunt until an an actual person has been killed. to be honest im not really sure you get the stunt until your actually confronted with the repercussion's of the bomb. If your intent when making the bombs was to kill humans then maybe you'd get the stunt right there but yeah... ultimately the best answer is it really depends on how your individual story teller wants to run the laws [in my version lucio, ebenzer, morgan, and the gatekeeper all have multiple version of lawbreaker on there character sheet's] I know thats a horribly useless thing to hear but unfortunately that just seems to be how the system was designed.
luminos:
How do things like white court vampires and red court affected factor into the first law? Do they count as humans for its purposes? What about Renfields?
Deadmanwalking:
I'd personally say no for White Court and Renfields. They're too far gone from human, and can't be fixed. Red Court Infected I'd say yes, they haven't diverged too far to not count until their first feeding kill (the same would hold for White Court Virgins).
void:
For full White Court vampires, I'd say that depends on how hard they're trying to maintain their humanity, and to a lesser extent whether the spellcaster considers them to have succeeded at all.
In game mechanic terms, if they're significantly negative refresh, then no. If they still have some positive refresh, they could count.
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