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DF Spoilers / Re: Chicago Defense!
« on: July 31, 2020, 02:40:32 AM »
Let’s think of insulting nicknames for King Korb which Harry will use, I start with Mr Toad.

Kermit

Didn't Jim say Dresden would fight a Kaiju at some point in the series? I could foresee a ton of Godzilla references if that turns out to be this book and Harry goes to get Sue again.

You just know Harry is going to be the one who gets his face caught on camera. With his luck, there's no other way it could go. And, knowing him, it probably happens while he's in a brawl with some Fomor and burning down a building.

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DF Spoilers / Mirror Mirror Next?
« on: July 30, 2020, 03:38:34 AM »
I've seen several posts that claim Mirror Mirror will come directly after Battle Grounds. And, given what is implied to happen in the next book I can't help but feel the timing is extremely poor. If magic is revealed to mortals, wouldn't it be better to see the implications of that, rather than the parallel reality where Dresden made a different Choice?

Is it true that Mirror Mirror is next? Why the... I don't want to use the word distraction, but it seems appropriate while unaware of the finer details...? Thoughts?

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DF Spoilers / Chicago Defense!
« on: July 24, 2020, 07:23:28 AM »
This is just for a bit of fun. A mental exercise I've been wondering at for a while and haven't really come up with any answers for. So...

How would you do it? Assuming you have
500 Einherjar
The Archive
4 Senior Council members
"A detachment of wardens" (I'm gonna assume between 50 and 100)
A mostly confused and scrambling CPD
The FBI(probably in a similar state to the CPD)
Criminals in the know under Marcone
The Winter and Summer Knights and Ladies(with the Ladies providing roles as described in text)
A family of ghouls
The White Court of Vampires in Chicago
The Svartalfs
2 Knights of the Cross
The Paranet members of chicago(currently hiding)
(other members of the Accords I'm forgetting that showed up)
2 Divine artifact weapons in the keeping of one Harry Dresden, Winter Knight and warden... and Warden

Assume you have at least a few Nemfected companions.

City Conditions: As described in the book, the power is out, people are panicking, and feces is hitting the proverbial fan. You begin with the BFS building as a stronghold. The low-level talents gathering in places like Mac's pub and Saint Marry of the Angels church. People are beginning to panic and riots are starting by the time the battle actually begins. Odin and Ferrovax have prevented the enemy from using Ways and underground travel.

Your goals are to 1) Neutralize Ethniu and the Eye of Balor, 2) Protect the City, and 3) Save as many lives as you can.

How do you begin and proceed?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground Casualties [Peace Talks Spoilers]
« on: July 24, 2020, 07:02:03 AM »
I honestly don't know who to pick. There are a few I suspect are almost certain... but I'm not sure of others. So, here's a few, and what I think will happen to them.

Ebenezer: His lack of control is very unusual, and he has done several suspicious things in Peace talks. My guess is that he is Nemfected. Harry will likely realize this at some point, and the two will fight about it or Harry will get the jump on him. Why? Because this makes more trouble for Harry, and not just in a personal fashion. The Council wouldn't be happy about it. Eb is also "The Mentor" to Harry, and should probably be bowing out of the story soon.

Murphy: Her death is almost too foreshadowed to be real. But, I personally lean towards the Valkyrie or Einherjar theory. I hope - but am not confident - that we'll get a scene with others of the Murphy clan before this happens. A lot of them work in law enforcement, after all. And, it would be nice to see Mama Murphy again before her little girl gets supernaturalified. *shrug*

But, those are the obvious two. Others... hmm...

Rudolph: I'm REALLY looking forward to where this goes. His comeuppance has been building for seventeen books. Granted, I can sympathize with the fear of being a vanilla being leveraged by superpowered beings that society tells us don't exist. I don't know what will happen, but I'm curious to see how Jim will spin things.

We'll probably lose a couple guys from SI and the Wardens as well. Who, though, is the question. I feel like Ramirez has a ways to go story-wise. Unless we get a dying "I'm sorry" from him to Harry. Chandler... I'm almost CERTAIN knows about Nemesis. He is stated in Changes to be one of the most trusted wardens in the council, playing guard to - and even preparing the food of - the Senior Council and Captain of the Wardens themselves. The others, though... As much as Bill and Yoshimo pop up here and there... they don't do much. I could see them being used as sympathetic red shirts in the battle. Same with a number of the guys from SI, and maybe Rick(Murphy's ex who married her younger sister) too.

Mac... maybe. I see him coming off the bench, but not dying. There is that old story involving Balor, Ethniu, Lea(in some tellings), and a man named Mac Kineely.

Cristos... probably? He's supposedly made a good showing as a warden. But, he isn't true Senior Council material. He is also suspected Black council(Nemfected?). Which... brings up another thought. This battle is an EXCELENT place for the Adversary to make moves. The good guys are going to need to be VERY careful about getting stabbed in the back.

I... think I'll leave it there for now. This is getting a little long.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Eb the Bad Guy?
« on: July 24, 2020, 02:55:43 AM »
That's not what we see when Eb is on-screen, and it's not what we see in how other people react to Eb, and it's especially not what we see in Peace Talks.

Every book where Eb is on-screen, we learn that he's not at all who Harry thought he was. In Summer Knight we learn that the irascible hermit is politically connected enough to swing a Senior Council vote. In Blood Rites we learn that the "magic is not for killing" sensei is actually the White Council's dirty-jobs assassin. In Changes we see him ripping the life out of humans, just shredding the first law and everything he's taught Harry.

And Harry's still isolated -- which we're told in the text is "what abusers do". After years of living with Eb, and years of living after that, he doesn't have a single wizard friend until Luccio drags him into the Wardens and he meets Carlos. That made some sense when we thought Eb was a loner hermit, not so much now that we know he's a political mover and shaker with lots of wizard friends.

What are the big fights about in Peace Talks? Eb wants Harry to cut himself off from Maggie -- to whom he says exactly four words, upon first meeting his great-granddaughter, before disengaging from her completely to have a knock-down-drag-out fight with Harry insisting that he has to send her away.

The other is about the White Court Vamps -- but is that really about protecting Harry from them, or about a predator marking his territory? If Eb does use subtle mind-control magic, he might worry that WCVs would be able to spot it in Harry. Could he have been freaking out about Thomas because he thought Thomas could expose him? (Did he arrange Thomas's death for that reason, and to isolate Harry from both the Whampires and the Svartalves?)

WARNING: The following paragraph is kind of jumbled.

The "Ebenezer is behind Thomas' actions" theory is a compelling one, especially when one looks at ALL the different theories out there and compiles the various pieces of evidence different people present. But, I don't think Ebenezer is or was purposefully trying to isolate Harry... in the early days. They have two VERY different approaches to life as a result of their histories. I suspect that is the driving force behind their disagreements up until Peace Talks. Now, I am firmly in the "Ebenezer is Nemfected" camp(along with Gedwig from Svartalf security, but we aren't talking about that right now). I won't go into the "why" I think this. There are so many theories out there that it's not hard to dig up half-a-dozen reasons it could be the case, or even a dozen. If that counts as Eb trying to isolate Harry, meh. I'm not sure it does, though. The possibility of an Obadiah Stane "Who do you think locked you out?" line is quite possible next book.

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And then there's the cornerhounds... we see Eb getting Harry to do two things which are explicitly Warlock-bad things: using a ring of fire and making direct mental contact with the Outside. We only have Eb's word, in a vague and shifty fashion, that the latter is actually safe for Harry. And the former seemed like an unnecessary risk.

And imagine what that scene looks like to a White Council that's thinking about kicking Harry out, again.

THIS! THIS! The "oh, and this is what a Starborn is" exposition seemed so out of place that it was almost jarring. A reveal like that seems like it would be something more suited to a climactic battle or high point during a book.

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Anyway... if we imagine that Ebenezar McCoy was Peabody's boss and has been trying to isolate and mold Harry into his tool, a lot of these things make sense.

Now, this I don't believe for a moment. If this were true, Eb could have just not done anything during the mistfiend incident, or more effectively he could have started throwing power around AT THE OTHER WIZARDS IN THE ROOM. As the heavy-weight, bestestest fighting wizard on the planet there would have been a ton more deaths, and the white council could have either been crippled or undergone began a civil war while they were already occupied with the Reds. The outcome, no matter what happened, would have been absolutely DEVISTATING.

Eb trying to mold Harry is quite possible, though. Into what, though, is an important question.

However what Eb himself does is represented in the real world by paramilitary police death squads. Murderers above the law. I don't really get the urge to give Harry the Black Staff given that, but whatever.

To be fair, Harry and Eb are already in the same line of work. They just have different bosses, and Eb has a LOT more experience.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Spoiler other starborn
« on: July 23, 2020, 04:55:08 AM »
Isn't the black death attributed to Nick and Tessa in Death Masks?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace talks, battle ground, blackstaff spoilers
« on: July 19, 2020, 06:46:01 PM »
That's a very real possibility, I think. Unless, Harry loses the mantle beforehand.

But, you sparked a thought in my head(that poor, tired, fat hamster...). Black Staff. Two words. The same number of letters. Does anyone think this might be a future book title?

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DF Spoilers / Re: BFB's first-pass WAGS, Peace Talks
« on: July 19, 2020, 05:39:54 AM »
31) Eb has cancer or some other disease that will shortly kill him, and it's adding to his irrationality.


Possible... but I suspect it's going to turn out that he's Nemfected. He talked a lot about Harry being betrayed by someone he wouldn't expect, mere exposure to Outsiders twisting someone's mind, and acted out of character in a similar way to Cat Sith from Cold Days. I think it's very possible that we see "Blackstaff Dresden" by the time Battle Ground is said and done.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezar and Harry (peace talks spoilers)
« on: July 19, 2020, 05:19:54 AM »
OK, but what does it suggest to you if it isn't a lazy use of deux ex machina by the author?  Ebenezer's age leading to an onset of dementia could be a natural explanation for his behavior.  Anger issues and sometimes extreme anger can be a part of this illness.  I've personally seen this kind of thing in action and it's a sad and depressing thing to witness.  Perhaps some of the people on this forum have had a similar experience.  More importantly, it fits with the theme of the older members of the Senior Council hanging on because they know a storm is coming and they believe they are the only ones qualified to deal with it, when in fact they may no longer be up for the job.

However, there is another explanation which also fits with a major plot element in the larger story.  Alarm bells should go off when we see a character who is acting against their nature.  It's one of the signs that they are no longer themselves and have been nemfected.

If either of these possibilities are correct then Ebenzer McCoy is no longer fit to wield the Blackstaff.  It's also a clue that Eb is nearing the end of his journey and someone else will have to carry the Blackstaff.  You know, it might not be something that the White Council bestows upon Harry as much it's something Harry picks up when Eb falls in battle.  At that point the Council would have a choice.  They could let the Winter Knight; who is no longer a member of the White Council, use the blackstaff as he sees fit or as Mab sees fit, or return him to his position on the Council, allow him to leave the Wardens; because Harry never wanted to be one in the first place, and become the new Blackstaff of the White Council.  This would also prevent Harry from returning the staff to its original owner.   

To piggyback off this, we can also draw similarities between the last fight with Eb, and Harry's fight with Cat Sith from Cold Days. In Cold Days, when Cat Sith is himself he isn't seen. He takes down the enemy and drags them off to die horribly and silently. When he's been Nemfected, he's a drama queen.He puts up a post-it saying "look behind you" so he can make a dramatic entrance. We see similar from Eb in Peace Talks. Instead of the "KABOOM YOU'RE DEAD!" style of Blackstaffery, we see him confront Dresden from atop a floating rock. Granted, confronting Harry instead of killing him is something I could understand, given the levels of protectiveness we've seen from him. But... a floating rock? Really? Maybe it was faster than running? I don't know. But, why not eliminate the horrible monster vampires before confronting Harry and asking for answers? That seems more his style from what we've seen. And, speaking from a meta perspective, it would have driven a wedge between the two of them harder than anything that will come out of what we were given.What was in the book comes off - to me, at least - as the same vein of drama queen-hood we see from Cat Sith.

 But than, I'm a paranoid lunatic who's been wondering when Murphy would turn on Harry ever since that dream in Skin Game. I could be seeing connections where there aren't any.

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DF Spoilers / Re: To the cops of Chicago do the Alpha's seem like a gang?
« on: December 14, 2017, 06:19:36 PM »
This is actually a really, really interesting question. Frankly, after everything we've seen so far, I'd be surprised if the normies haven't noticed what's going on. But, we don't get things from that angle. So, we can't know until it's revealed(probably around the BAT).

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DF Spoilers / Because We Aren't Paranoid Enough...
« on: October 21, 2017, 11:25:56 PM »
I had a super dark thought, and figured I might as well share.

YET MORE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE NEMFECTED: So, Carlos mentions the Sleepers in Cold Case, specifically in reference to the thing that the cultists worship. He says that they're(it?) are(is?) like the Outsiders, but in. So... anyone think the cultists might have, shall we say... inducted... the children?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who if anyone will Harry save in Mirror Mirror
« on: October 11, 2017, 06:53:22 AM »
Well I'm wondering that there may be someone who has died in the previous books whom Harry might get an opportunity to save in Mirror Mirror.  Although he's not saving the actual person who died, in a way it will feel good for Harry to at least save them in another reality.  Of all the people who have died up to this point, who do you think would be cool to see saved?  I would start a poll but there are really a lot of people who have died so will just leave it up to you to write down, and why you'd like to see it.
I'm not really certain how to approach this question, if only because there are multiple ways to do so. There's the first, and most obvious, which has been discussed a lot below: "Who might Harry save in the Mirrorverse?" Assuming self-containment. The other way I see this question, and the potentially far more interesting(though possibly less-likely) is: "Who does Harry save in the Primeverse via retrieving their alternate self from the Mirrorverse?"

This reason I suggest this alternative spin on the question is the, honestly, if MM ends up being a self-contained side-trip done solely for the thrill of having Harry jump dimensions... it will be a waste. SOMETHING that happens in the Mirrorverse MUST effect what goes down in the Primeverse. Or, why does it happen at all? So! I put forward that Harry - in the tradition of Star Treck and Anne McCafrey's Dragonflight and lots and lots of other time-travel stories everywhere - brings someone BACK with him. Or, at least learns something MAJOR while in the Mirrorverse. Both? I don't know.

But, I figured I'd throw the possibility out there for people to speculate on. If it were to happen, I doubt it would be Morgan. He's not really the kind of guy to skirt the edges of the Laws.

NOTE: I couldn't find a pithy way to fit this last part in, so I'm just gonna put it out there, too. Another option could even be that Harry - in his fashion of doing silly things with magic - brings back someone who DIDN'T die yet. So, we get two of the same person, but with wildly different experiences over the last decade, running around.

Thoughts?

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DF Spoilers / Re: What if it isn't just power over Outsiders?
« on: October 01, 2017, 07:33:03 AM »
Harry was told that being a Starborn gave him power over Outsiders.  What if that was just partially true, but didn't include that he has power over more than just that?  What got me thinking about it was the thread about conjuring Harry is more dangerous for you, than him, and Jim saying that it isn't dangerous for Harry's Name being known as it is for others. 
Huh, I hadn't seen or heard about this WoJ. Nifty. Though, admittedly, I get the feeling we're going to see why we shouldn't conjure by Harry's name when the series hits Mirror Mirror.

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Another thing is that Harry seemed to defeat Mother Winter in a battle of will's I think?  He doesn't have her absolute raw power, but in a battle of will, I think he won.  Also his battle with Ortega, again a battle of will, and Harry was going to win.  Then when Before was in Harry's mind, Harry won that battle of will as well... 
There was soulfire involved here. I'm not sure this counts as a mere "battle of wills."

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In much of the dresdenverse, belief is real power.  Perhaps ones will can bend reality as much as the combined belief of lots of people.
Isn't this kind of the definition of a wizard?

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Harry's Starborn gift may be an unshakable will that puts him on par with the most powerful Being's out there.  He just needs to tap into it more, like when he faced Before.
I think his strength of will is more a result of Harry just being... well, Harry. It's who he is, even outside of wielding magic.

I will agree with you, though, that there's probably something more to the whole "Starborn" thing. That being said, I have no idea what it is.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ivy/The Archive and digital information
« on: September 08, 2017, 05:04:42 AM »
Ivy is, what, sixteen now?

Close! 8) :D

She's eighteen, according to some wonderfully compiled extrapolation by smarter people than I: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?topic=1592.0

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DF Spoilers / Re: Murphy in Peace Talks (WoJ spoilers)
« on: August 15, 2017, 09:40:00 PM »
As a Nemesis-controlled agent overall Id say. Nemesis invested a metric f*ckton of energy and resources on that scheme, fought the Hunt and even fielded an actual Walker for it.  All it would have take for Nemesis to Win the Day was for Murphy to Not Pull the Trigger at the end.  Or even to simply Miss, as humans do.  I have to think Nemesis would have played that card if it could have.
Stop thinking so small. If Nemesis had been in control of Murphy, she wouldn't have simply missed or not pulled the trigger. She would have aimed at Mab herself... probably. New's genre savvy-ness has been rather lacking once you know what to look for.


Also, as for Murphy's development: The idea of her taking up one of the coins has been mentioned once or twice(or more) throughout this thread. I'm actually kind of hoping this happens. Before you come after me with the pitchforks and torches, hear me out... please? We have had a lot of character arcs throughout the series that can best be described as heart-wrenching. Most of them, however, have had good endings. Morgan was allowed to die doing what he believed in, even after a life of bitterness. Susan's story was horrifying, but she was allowed to die protecting her child and fulfilling the goals of the Order of Saint Giles. Michael got his happy ending, even if it was a bit traumatic, and his story probably isn't over yet.

But, so far, the only utterly, truly tragic story has been Lilly's. She never wanted power or riches or war. She wanted a husband and a family. She didn't get it, not even close. So, the question I'm asking: Could we be in for another tragedy with Murphy? Might she - as Harry has done so many times - pick up some new and horrible power out of a desire to protect the people she sees as her responsibility. Yes, it isn't her job to safeguard them anymore. But, has she made peace with that? I doubt it. She was also told in Small Favor by Dresden that he had refused a coin. Might she think she could do the same, or could Nicodemus spin her a tale of "We are fighting to save the world?" As much as I love Murph as a character, I don't want her to become the Dresden team's Lois Lane, and I feel a tragic ending - however undeserved, but entirely realistic if written properly - would be better than being the weakest link.

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