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DF Spoilers / Re: Dresden and Lara
« on: March 04, 2021, 07:47:59 AM »
Thomas and the rest of the White Court don't have to work out to be in shape. They pick up their fighting skills just like anyone else. Their Demon just gives them strength, speed, super senses and regeneration just like Wolverine. And like Wolverine, opponents with greater skill can beat them down. It's keeping them down that's the issue.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Ethniu was so powerful in BG
« on: March 02, 2021, 09:54:26 PM »
Ethniu never had to give up power to remain in this reality. She has never left it and simply remained low-key until BG. Remember she is called theLast Titan by Vadderung. So she's just the last of the beings of her power level walking around free. There are greater powers locked in Demonreach according to Harry's thoughts while confronting the HWWB on the boat.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas's cure: Bonea or Lhea?
« on: February 27, 2021, 11:09:27 PM »
I doubt that Lea could heal him anyway,  what she did for Susan was temporary if I remember correctly because Harry got all excited when she did it, and asked her about it.

True, it was temporary, but perhaps all Thomas needs is temporary relief from his Hunger so he can build up enough strength to feed it normally again. If so then he'll back to being a "normal" White Court vampire instead of one in a death spiral.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Harry has Conjuritus as an Adult
« on: February 25, 2021, 07:56:28 AM »
Probably because if they did a Warden would show up to cut their head off for breaking the First Law.

But you would think it would be something all the Wardens learn as part of their combat training. It wouldn't be your main offense, but it a nice surprise trick. And Harry took out a Black Court Elder with it, so we know it's effective.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Harry has Conjuritus as an Adult
« on: February 24, 2021, 06:49:51 PM »
This thread makes me wonder why wizards in general and Harry in particular don't drop anvils on people all the time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Shagnasty discussion
« on: February 16, 2021, 07:38:15 PM »
I don't think Shagnasty has anything that can be seduced.  He's sadistic.  His idea of foreplay would be to rip someone apart and then play with their organs.

Well we know that the naglosii sometimes have those urges, hence Goodman Grey. I doubt seduction is involved though.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Huntsmen
« on: February 12, 2021, 06:03:22 PM »
The zombies beat down Harry's wards by numbers and brute force. They took a lot of losses but being zombies just kept coming in waves until the energy in the wards was expended. I suspect that the Huntsmen just beat their way in to most houses and stabbed the occupant, dragged or flushed out others and generally acted like your typical barbarian horde. I'm sure they lost quite a few to firearms but again, they didn't care about dying during battle so just mobbed the occupants. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Grounds and Chandler
« on: February 11, 2021, 01:09:36 AM »
I think Chandler's a bad guy working with Drakul. Chandler being sent away through a portal or whatever while others were actually taken prisoner is somewhat telling to me.

Not really. Chandler was done by Drakul, the others by his flunkies. Different methods used by those of different capabilities.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The best DF stories...
« on: February 08, 2021, 04:23:18 AM »
I have to disagree there. As Harry reveals in his talk with Justine on the boat, the whole of Peace Talks and Battle Ground was just a big diversion to get the Walker onto Demonreach. Sure, the Outsiders would have liked to taken down Mab and the Accorded Nation leaders and major powers present, but their main goal was breaching the island's defenses after their direct assault in Cold Days failed.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who broke Little Chicago?
« on: February 06, 2021, 07:13:11 AM »
Since the quote comes from Small Favor it's hard to see it's relevance to Proven Guilty. It did occur to me that Jim was trolling his readers and introducing the idea that there was a door into Winter in the Lab and preparing them for a trip down the primrose path.

And that I think answers the question.

Harry "broke" Little Chicago when he was making it. Leah( or Mab if Leah was incapacitated) saw the flaw and fixed it in her godmother mode without telling Harry.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the North American warrior in BG?
« on: February 01, 2021, 12:47:32 AM »
It wasn't anyone significant in the Dresdenverse prior to the battle. Who knows(besides Jim) about the future?

The reason she was shown was because Jim has made an issue of the fact that the new recruits that Molly is gathering are bunches of kids.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab and Lara
« on: January 25, 2021, 06:21:43 PM »
That too, but the fact remains, Mab lied.

Mab didn't lie, she just didn't reveal her whole agenda same as Nic.

Nic bargained for the assistance of the Winter Knight in retrieving an object from Hades vault. He made no promises and asked for none about his plans afterwards because he wanted to be free to kill Harry, whoever Harry brought to watch his back and Anna Valmont in a place where Mab would not be able to intervene. Harry did his part in aiding Nic's plan. Without him, there is no way Anna signs on to Nic's crew and they don't get past the Gate of Ice later. Harry personally gives Nic the item he states was his objective for the job.

Then we get Nic's betrayal and the battles afterwards. Harry, Michael and Anna only survive because Harry made the smart plan to preemptively hire Grey and have him be their ace in the hole. They overcame Nic's hidden agenda, bringing the favor to an end and starting a free-for-all to end the caper. The fight at Michael's was just Nic being a vengeful bad guy.

But Harry(and hence Mab) did keep faith with Nic on his stated bargain. It's just that Nic being treacherous got them so much more.

Mab and Marcone(also Namshiel as we now know) got revenge on Nic for SF.

Mab and Hades got the weapons out of the vault and into capable hands for the future.

Uriel got the preliminary redemption of Nic's squires and a new Knight. He even got Michael more protection by alerting Molly to the holes in his security.

Harry got Bonea out of his head(his bargain with Mab to start the plot) which also let him leave  Demonreach and interact with the world again,  a fortune in diamonds and the mixed blessing of possessing some Christianity's most powerful holy relics.

By planning for Nic's treachery, Mab was able to accomplish more than balancing her books.  And she did it without breaking the letter of their agreed upon bargain.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab and Lara
« on: January 22, 2021, 02:41:39 AM »
Oh but she did, it was Nic's understanding that she was loaning Harry to him to help him in his mission to break into the vault as pay for a favor.  However Mab's plan all along was to help Marcone get his revenge and to punish Nic for breaking the Accords when he kidnapped Marcone.  Her and Marcone along with Hades worked together for years to make this set up happen.  Since she hid all of that from Nic, she was lying by omission in every sense of the word.  That is why Harry and Molly called her on it.

All the powers in the Dresdenverse lie to each other by omission. They all work under the assumption that the others have a hidden agenda and plan accordingly.

So yes, Mab lied by omission. But the plan she made was contingent on Nicodemus not playing it straight. He lied about his objectives(Which left Harry free to grab the other artifacts as part of his share.) and he left out his intention to murder Harry, Murphy/Michael, Anna and perhaps Binder after the job. If he'd been honest about his objectives and non-homicidal, Harry would have had to be the one to first break oath when Michael objected to Nicodemus taking the Grail.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Red Court vs. The Fomor
« on: January 20, 2021, 10:21:51 PM »
He also works the angles, what is in it for him?  In Changes he saw nothing in it for him, even to save a child, so he turned Harry down.

He didn't turn Harry down. He gave him the little information that he had and had Gard introduce him to Vadderung.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab and Lara
« on: January 20, 2021, 10:09:49 PM »
Yes, they have, but with the marriage, they will be sending the Blackstaff after him..  Or Harry, with Molly's help would also be a good story for Jim to abandon quickly, it actually builds on the scene in Skin Game between them and Mab and Marcone..  Molly and Harry as a team may be too much for even Mab to overcome.. Though it might be the best decision she made, to take on the pair as her Lady and Knight, it may not turn out as she planned.

Sending the Blackstaff after Harry for marrying Lara would be a foolish act unless they have some other violation that revokes his current parole.

Marrying Lara is an act anyone can do, it doesn't violate any of the Rules of Magic.

It is a declaration of war on Mab. Harry is marrying Lara because of his duty as her vassal. They can verbally object all they want but the disposition of Mab's forces is Mab's decision alone and she'd remind them of that in no uncertain terms.

It is a declaration of war against the White Court. Even if she's not the public leader, Lara is the princess of the White Court. Sending an assassin after her consort is not something she can overlook.

It's foolish. Yes, I'd bet on Eb taking Harry 4 out of 5 times, but that 5th time means risking losing the Blackstaff back to Winter. And that's assuming Eb won't jump ship(They know he's Harry's mentor but I'll bet only a very few know of their blood relationship) if given the order without clear evidence of an act by Harry, not Harry following Mab's orders in a way that doesn't directly threaten the White Council.


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