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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Harry a good mentor
« on: July 08, 2024, 04:20:58 PM »
Which could lead to her downfall, but also for victory for her side.
I think that little bit of soul in Mab is what makes her acceptable to Mr Sunshine and his boss. Without that piece she is another monster that will threaten humanity unnecessarily. Mab seems like a bad guy to us but she is a part of the ecosystem of the Dresden universe. The Reds were probably to soulless to be allowed to continue and where cut same with the blacks

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Carlos sided with the merlin against Harry
« on: July 08, 2024, 04:15:44 PM »
That's only a good idea if they are going to be in constant contact with other wardens. In practice, the North American wardens have months to years where they rarely see one another. They have plenty of time to train in methods to avoid detection and recruit followers. Harry sees more major magical action than any other warden besides Morgan and they still think he had the free time to build his plot for world domination.

And yes, I can see that plot:

Get raised as a warlock by Justin, rebel and kill him in "self-defense".
Bob, otherwise known as the Word of Kemmler.
Take advantage of your grandfather's mercy and get trained further. Earn the trust of several Senior Council members.
Work with local law enforcement and organized crime to build contacts.
Form an alliance with the White Court and later the Winter Court.
Help overthrow the power structure of the White Court while forging "relations" with the new leaders.
Stop the heirs of Kemmler. You're not ready to advance your plans and it'll build more favor with the Senior Council.
Go to war with the Red Court with the support of the Council, Winter and the White Court emerging victorious as the new Winter Knight.
Take down the Formor and openly marry the Queen of the White Court.

Out of context it all holds together but it leaves out some things that don't add up to evil incarnate rising:

Stopping the Denarians at multiple points while resisting their efforts to recruit you, including actual coin possession.
Having KotC show up to aid rather than oppose you on multiple occasions and being ally, mentor, houseguest, baby-sitter (Molly) and drinking buddy with each of the KotC that served since you've been a wizard.
Getting Soulfire from an Archangel.
Actually, telling the Council about most of these things openly with the exceptions of Bob, the Coin and Soulfire.

It's easier to just jump to a general conclusion and summary judgement than put in the work of investigating. Just approaching Michael and asking him to address some areas of concern would get most of this. Unless they think Harry has convinced a KotC to lie for him.


Part pf Harry's problem with the WC is an Image issue. From the average WV members perspective Harry only shows up to meetings that are generally about bad news.
Harry is a young wizard who should be kissing the rings of older members, trying to make friends and networking. Instead he shows up to meetings late, in the wrong attire and with the attitude that the Council is beneath him. Harry shows up on the WC worst days delivering bad news and expects the WC to back him up.
Image Harry as a core worker, Dude got the job based on friendship  with the manager, skips meetings, shows up to criticize the work you have done, claims he can do better than you idiots.

Goes away for who knows how long. Breaks the rules ,is saved by senior management , wants your help with a project he messed up, and you are ordered to help him. Dude f***s off to who knows where.  Comes back barely contributes. And then when the project seems like its doomed to fail, shows up with a brilliant solution and gets all the credit. That's Harry from the Average WC member

All anyone knows about Harry is that he is trouble. Harry makes the barest amount of effort to make friends with members of the WC

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Harry a good mentor
« on: July 05, 2024, 10:34:00 AM »
Yeah, and one is a badass and a functional human being because a surly old farmer in the Missouri Bootheel took him in and taught him  how to be a decent human being, (building on Malcolm's foundation), and even so Justin left scars.  The other almost-as-badass is a broken bird in some ways, gradually putting herself back together, not having had the benefit of Ebenezar and Malcolm to counter Justin's influence.

Kemmler was a mega-badass, too.  There's more to life than being a badass.
True but in the Dresden universe there is need for badasses now more than ever. In the grand scheme of things which is more important for Molly to be a broken badass who saves the world over and over again  at the low low cost of her soul and sanity or for her to be a mostly decent human being

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Carlos sided with the merlin against Harry
« on: July 05, 2024, 10:28:56 AM »
I'm sure Luccio used just that argument with Harry's enemies on the Council.  There's precedent, too.  The Council tends to make people with warlock-ish talents into Wardens so they can watch each other.

IIRC, JB said once that one of the reasons Chandler was a Warden was precisely that he had a knack for time magic.  As a Warden he can use that knack to police the magical world, and at the same time the other Wardens are around him all the time so if he starts to misuse it, he can be detected and dealt with.  JB also pointed out that Molly might well end up as a Warden because of her mind magic talent.
Making people with warlock tendencies warden actually makes sense in a way.
1) it reminds what would happen to them if they went warlock ie caught and beheaded 2) it shows them the harm abusing their powers would cause. They mostly end up hating warlocks and everything about warlock ensuring they dont become warlocks.

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DF Spoilers / Is Harry a good mentor
« on: July 03, 2024, 01:34:19 PM »
Is Harry a good mentor
So I have been thinking about what makes a good mentor a lot lately. And like all things it got me thinking about the Dresden files.
Harry is shown to be a better mentor than Justin (fine it’s a low bar) . He’s kinder amongst other things( Again it’s a low bar).
So in Ghost story, Lea points out that he was too soft on Molly. Lea being Lea is a sociopath, Mab agrees with Lea that Harry is too soft on her. Mab being another sociopath. In Turncoat Morgan pointed out that He was being too soft on her. But Morgan is an ahole so we don’t think about it too much.
But the Sociopaths may have a point. If being a good mentor is about the results then Harry is a bad mentor. Molly under Harry was left scared after a battle and was not suited for battle in general. After one year with Lea she is a force of nature in Bombshells? Against the fomor.
Justin is a bastard but look at his 2 apprentices. One took is a badass, the other is slightly less badass.


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DF Spoilers / Re: Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 18, 2024, 03:13:17 PM »
Agreed, though I think the Merlin was right in the case of the Koren Kid, he was too far down the tubes to rehab with the Doom. I do think Harry was also right when he argued in Molly's defense, that most of these kids deserve a chance at rehab.  The problem Harry will run into will be the same problem that the Merlin and the White Council have run into, enough qualified wizards willing to take on the risk of being responsible for an apprentice under the Doom, since they themselves would suffer the same fate if the apprentice went full warlock.  And yes, I think Harry capable of executing a full warlock kid.  Harry may find himself having to reform the system so that it is fair to kids who do dumb dangerous stuff with their new found talent before they know better, and at the same time weeding out those who cannot be redeemed... Easier said than done... ::)
Agreed it easier said than done.
Even without the doom over their heads( I doubt Harry would retain it of wizards willing to rehab young kids who are potential warlocks) he would still have difficulty finding wizards willing to play babysitter for a potential warlock. Dark magic is addictive. Helping someone kick an addiction is hard and most people ain't suited for the job even if willing which most people aren't.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 17, 2024, 05:13:03 PM »
So far as we know, all mantles are constructs, made by an entity for a purpose.
Who could (and would!) create such a mantle?

I suppose the Archive has the knowledge to create it; and there's enough power on the Island to do the implementation... but, why would she?  Her Oblivion-War duties are big on secrecy, and adding a new & independent globe-trotting Mantle to the mix looks like a huge gaping OpSec hole...

The Gatekeeper sent Harry that cryptic "black magic in Chicago" message; so he seems to already be capable of doing "black magic scans" & the like (though  that could have just been smoke & mirrors, with Mab tipping off the Gatekeeper to feed Harry the bait, so she could reel him in...) .
 
Also, Harry "I've got Authority Issues" Dresden would himself be a really ironic target for becoming the ultimate Authority Figure on the issue of Magic!  (this is not, I should note, any argument that Jim wouldn't inflict such a thing upon Harry!)
Jim would definitely do that.
But speaking of what Jim would do. I see Jim making Harry the leader of a new council. And the Harry having to realise that no matter how hard you try someone will always fail through the cracks Especially when youaredealing with the whole world. It would destroy Harry to have togive the kill the crazy  warlock order.6

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DF Spoilers / Re: Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 05, 2024, 08:06:51 PM »
I think it was Summer knights. He laughed at Harry's bad latin ( stupid correspondence lessons)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab Roade with the conquerer
« on: April 04, 2024, 06:58:46 PM »
In Old British law forvever meant before 1066. Like from a legal definition. Just wanted to share that bit of useless information. Thanks

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DF Spoilers / Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 04, 2024, 06:52:15 PM »
Been thinking given their rapid rise in rank and the fact that they seem to be trusted by the Establishment. Who are Carlos and Chandler's mentors.
Is there any Woj about them?
Cause i think there is so much there!.

Chandler is a wizard Luccio trusts above most. Carlos is Carlos and holds any important position at a young age.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Thomas get a free pass?
« on: March 15, 2024, 10:32:51 AM »
Lara may be anxious about Thomas, but she won't blame Harry for his condition. She's very practical, does love her family and realizes that not only did Harry not cause this injury to Thomas, but that she forced Harry into considerable danger in saving Thomas' life from the Svartalves and hiding him on the island.

I also think Thomas can remain a vampire and still wield a Sword. We've already seen Susan use one on a mission of love to save her daughter. Thomas can use the same Sword of Love to save the souls of Justine and his child. What happens after that is open. Perhaps prolonged exposure to the Sword will change the nature of his demon. Or maybe he's only a Knight for that mission since we've been told that being a long-term sword wielder is not the normal. Maybe they get rid of Papa Raith and Thomas becomes the new White King and Lara becomes Harry's sidekick.

I'm sure all these guesses are wrong but until Jim tells the story, WAGs are all we've got.
On a side note, I like the way Jim writes Lara and Harry. Like at the start Lara was like Harry Dresden not so bright wizard i can manipulate. At the end of I think Blood Rites she finds out Harry staged is talk with Pa Raith so she would find out what he really thinks of her. She takes down PaRaith but i think in the back of her mind she realizes that she was used and Harry is smarter that she thinks. In White Night Harry figures out her play. In her mind Dresden is probably some mad genius using confusion fu on her.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 05, 2024, 01:07:32 PM »
All of that, yes.
I think access to Papa Raith's library is on Mab's agenda (likely, as you suggest, to power-up Harry).
Further isolating Harry from his Mortal allies (Mab sees mortal ties as a weakness, after all).

The biggest one, I suspect, is that Mab wants to find the Whampire Nemfection-vector:  Papa-Raith had Outsider-fueled protections, and an Outsider-fueled curse (that the porn-starlet coven used), and Justine got Nemfected apparently from working closely with Lara.  Something seems to be rotten at the core of the White Court.

And -- oh look! -- Mab has a Starborn WK (just the thing for stomping on Outsiders!); time to toss a HarryDresdenGrenade into that bunker.
Thats a great image. Genuinely laughed.
But that seems like a Mab thing to do.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Gatekeeper
« on: March 05, 2024, 01:00:39 PM »
I always assumed that the Gatekeeper was chronologically 1300yrs or older due to the WOJ that he killed the mad Arab. But his true age is around 300 ish. Maybe the dues of the Gatekeeper keep him away from the real world enough to slow his aging. Cant remember the book but i think its turn coat or proven guilty were Harry remarks that the only person who attends less WC meetings than him is the Gatekeeper

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DF Spoilers / Re: Great another starborn theory, this time with vampires
« on: January 24, 2024, 07:34:54 PM »
  Only problem with that is Mab is fighting Outsiders.  So why would she sacrifice Harry to have him come back possessed by an Outsider?
Ah that the catch. Magic always has a price.
A starborn is sacrificed to keep the outsiders out but in exchange he/ she brings something back with him.
Plus dolist reason it would mess Harry up. Jim is that much of a bastard to do it

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DF Spoilers / Re: Great another starborn theory, this time with vampires
« on: January 24, 2024, 08:25:58 AM »
  Hasn't Harry already come back?  At the end of Changes when he was shot, he was mostly dead, very close to all dead.. He was already Winter Knight when he took that bullet through the heart, would have died then and there on the deck, but fell into the very cold lake before he bled out and into Mab's arms. Hmmm... Wonder if Uriel had anything to do with him stumbling over the side into the water after he was shot?

Yes, I agree, Uriel has had a lot to do with preparing Harry for what is to come.  That was the whole point of the risky soul walk about, and Harry came back with a better understanding of what soul fire really is as we saw in Cold Days.  He also learned how to keep the darker impulses of the Winter Knight mantle under control.  However the White Council doesn't know any of this, they are asking the same question you are asking, except not what will come back with him if he dies again, but what came back with him this last time when he "died."

I think Mab's reasons for wanting Molly dead if she dies are a bit different.  Mab is a control freak, and she feels that Molly isn't on the same page as she is. 
The idea is that this time Mab/ the Winter Queen will sacrifice him in a ritual. And he dies as in D-E-D. Died. GONE and then comes back with an outsider inside his now immortal body.
In this case if Harry lets it take control he becomes a Monster with a Captail M for emphasis.

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