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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: Yesterday at 07:11:09 AM »
I would contend that Lara sees Harry as a trusted enemy not ally. Someone you know can turn on you, but you also can trust them to act a certain way. In Harry's case, he is a know white knight that has a strong moral compass. Lara knows what strings she can pull to get a certain response out of Harry. It will be interesting to see how this might change in Twelve Months.
To quote Codex alera Harry is her Gadara. Sorry couldn't resist their are a few places were my jim butcher books knowledge to use.
 
Yes.  I like the 'pet tiger' analogy, it really fits in many ways.  Every now and then you hear about a tragedy where somebody who thought they had tamed a wild predator finds out the hard way that it's still what it is.  As the late Rush Limbaugh was fond of saying, "A snake is always a snake, a tiger is always a tiger."  Even when the wild animal is safe enough around its owner, it can be dangerous to others, such as that case a few years ago where a pet chimp tore a visitor's face apart.  Plus those incidents where a pet python gets out of its container...

Now since Thomas is also a human being, his sapient mind can restrain the animalistic predator...as long as it doesn't get too hungry.  But once it crosses that line, it can override the human and go hunting, and any human available is prey.

En and Bob have both warned Harry about this, but it's not a message he wants to hear.
Harry is blinded by love. Think about how many red flags in family and friends we over look.
How many toxic family members we still cling to and toxic friends we defend.
Thomas the human partbis a good guy. And harry sees only that part. He cant imagine Thomas the vampire or he cant allow himself to see that part.
The pet tiger imagery is good but how about a violent big dog. You know the breeds which everyonce in a while is in the news for biting kids, neighbors and owners. And which we the owners of said dogs defend as being innocent and friendly but misunderstood.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 18, 2025, 09:25:22 AM »
.. If Harry was a dud, since Lea was the godmother, 
Woah  .... um . Lea as the godmother is the to ensure that Harry isn't a dud. Harry has to grow up able to defend himself from anything and Lea will make sure that he is able to hang with anyone.
Ps Harry claims she took advantage of him, claims she wishes to make him her dog but hold on. Harry learns to be cautious of fae deals from her. By the time Mab comes for him he is able to make a pretty good deal with her based on his experience with Lea.
O she tried to turn him into a dog. But did she not really, every interaction they have Lea comes up just short and at times gives harry insite in to something that ends up helping him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 18, 2025, 06:56:58 AM »
Uriel can't mess with free will..  He can perhaps bring two people to the dance floor, but he cannot make them dance with one another..
True you cant force people to dance but you can treak the circumstances of the meeting to make them receptive to the idea. The sun setting at just the right angle, the wind blowing gently enough to make you notice something that you may overlook on any other day.
Im not saying a plant in the way that Uriel forced Malcolm and Margie Sr to fall for each other. Just make sure they meet on the right day , at the right time to fall for each other.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 17, 2025, 07:23:43 AM »
I think there is a lot of truth in all of this.  There are a lot of assumptions of many what a star born is, Drakul and Listens seem to fit that mold, Harry doesn't.  Margaret was a very clever woman, she realized that because of his protection that she couldn't kill Lord Raith with her death curse, but she discovered a significant weakness that would render him pretty impotent, starvation.  Likewise I believe based on what Lash told Harry, she knew that it would take another star born to battle the Enemy in the BAT, but it wasn't until she met Malcolm and fell in love with him that she decided to conceive one.  Like preventing Lord Raith the ability to feed was the key to her curse, conceiving a star child with Malcolm's "good heart" or nature is key to defeating the Enemy.  It's this basic trait in his personality that pulls Harry up short when he strays too far to the dark side or into normal star born behavior..  At this time however neither side really understands this, they just make assumptions that Harry is, ergo this is how he is..

So far Harry is an anomaly amongst the Starborn we have met and i think Malcom is the key to that. Its Malcolm's nature that Harry inherited keeps him good. Which is part of the reason why I think Malcom was a plant by Uriel. Not a supernatural being though just a normal guy who is good. Good in the best way possible and good in its everyday form. That shows Harry the way and keeps him from becoming like the other starborn

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 17, 2025, 07:16:32 AM »
I don't think he knew where she was; if he had, he'd likely have killed her more-directly, and sooner.

I've got a theory that the curse that killed her had been lurking for a while:

Margaret made a deal (with the Leanansidhe) for the protection of her baby.  She died the moment Harry was born... "just like magic."

Harry inside Margaret, before birth, means Margaret herself was also protected; but the instant his life was no longer tied to her (I presume cutting the umbilicus) Lea's protections upon Harry no longer protected Margaret, and the entropy-curse killed her.

Which, in turn, implies that the curse was just lurking, waiting until the protective Veil was lifted (not cast then to kill then).

Though of course it's also possible that Lea had previously let Raith know that Margaret had an impenetrable protection, but that it would be ending "soon," and that she explicitly tattled to Raith when it did; far better for her twisted Faerie Godmother Complex to get rid of the parent(s)!

I'm pretty certain Lea was involved in either Margaret's death, or Malcolm's, or both.
I have a crazy theory that Margie Sr knew she was going to die, sooner or later. So the theory that the spell was hanging over her makes sense to me. So her deal to protect harry could have included her surviving to raise her.Considering the la fey nickname she could have made a better deal than the one she made. But i think for some reason she knew she wasn't the right person to raise Harry. Or she knew that Her enemies not just lord raith would not rest until she was dead. So she decided her death was best for Harry.

On the other hand, its selfish of her to give birth to harry at all

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 15, 2025, 02:57:53 PM »
I think there is a lot of truth in that.  However not so much because she is high profile but because she generally acts very sane and predictable..  Nemesis has infested other high profile people, Aurora, Maeve, Lea, but went undetected for quite some time.
I agree with is assessment.
So far the 3 people nemesis has infected that we have spent the most time with have not been bastions of sanity. Lea is erratic and chaotic, she wants to take down Mab. Any strange behavior she exhibits can be written off. Maeve was already a poor WL. Molly says she was not doing her duties properly for sometime. Any change in a behavior was again easy to overlook as her laziness. Aurora was probably of the same cloth. Not sure about her before hand. Every little evidence for her state of mind before nemfection.

Same with Justine any erratic behavior from her will not raise any eyebrows. She cra cra


But with Lara miss cold and efficient, any erratic behavior will probably raise alarms from not just her court but everyone who interacts with here

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 15, 2025, 02:42:38 PM »
I kind of remember that also from the book, however I find it odd that he wasn't aware that Margaret was about to give birth or had just given birth when he killed her.  Also it is strange that he wouldn't have kept track of that baby for fear of revenge someday.  Also since he managed to murder the male siblings of Thomas and it seems no secret that he did, why would Raith worry if he got blamed or not?  After all if he got his power to feed back it would all have been worth it.
I kind of remember that also from the book, however I find it odd that he wasn't aware that Margaret was about to give birth or had just given birth when he killed her.  Also it is strange that he wouldn't have kept track of that baby for fear of revenge someday.  Also since he managed to murder the male siblings of Thomas and it seems no secret that he did, why would Raith worry if he got blamed or not?  After all if he got his power to feed back it would all have been worth it.
The way i see it is that the white courts way of killing opponents is to do it in a way that everyone knows its probably you but have no way of proving its you. Sort of like the coups and wars from the cold war. Everyone knew who was backing who but everyone pretended otherwise.
Killing Thomas openly would lose Papa Raith face. Its saying that Thomas was strong enough to make him show his hand which is bad for his image.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 15, 2025, 11:00:24 AM »
Ref:  https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,50842.msg2302007.html#msg2302007

  A while ago I posted in another thread that Lord Raith did not know Harry and Thomas were brothers before Blood Rites.

  So, it might be he knew about the curse, but was told that only killing Thomas would not be enough to end it.  That might be why he delayed killing Thomas.  Also, some of the things Lord Raith forced Thomas to do looked like he was trying to get Thomas killed in a way that he would not be blamed for.

APG

The curse is tied to Marge sr bloodline. I think all her living descendants feed it
There is a fridge horror theory that in White nights after killing Harry and Thomas. He still would be unable to feed so he would start killing the women that thomas and harry have been with and their kids. At this point little Marge was born but he didnt know about her

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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: June 06, 2025, 06:54:54 AM »
Thank you for all the quotes you provided here!And yet, none of those quotes (nor anything else I recall Ebenezer ever addressing directly) actually states that the bodyswap made Luccio more susceptible to the influence of the inks, and to Peabody's magic.

We infer it, from the 1-2-punch of Morgan telling us of Luccio's guilt and from Ebenezer says.

So, here's some other thoughts; alternative hypotheses.

#1 - Ebenezer is just wrong.  We know that the Council has largely forbidden the exploration of mind-magic, but Peabody & his ilk clearly have not.  Corpsetaker had remarked on how out-of-date Harry's training was, and I think we should take it for granted that Eb gave the best mental-defense training that he could, to his grandson.  But what if Black Council researchers had found ways to bend even Senior-Council level minds, without breaking them?

#2 - Luccio is Black Council.  This is a dark theory, but -- what if Luccio killed LaFortier not because of Peabody's mind-control, but because she's a full-on BC agent?  What if "Peabody made me do it" is just her cover-story?  Consider this:  of all the people in Edinburgh who could have discovered her... who's the one person who would cover for her, take the fall, but also have the skills & power to escape the WC, and the initiative to loop-in Dresden?  How "convenient" for her, that that one person was the one who found her there with the bloody dagger.

#3 - An overt, brutal, full-control takeover may not be possible, or may be prohibitive.  But repeated nudges, year after year?  That exactly what sets habits and patterns in place, which can become self-sustaining:  "You are what you do."  Small incremental changes, that are let to sit and "naturalize" in place... which in turn can form a new baseline, from which you make further incremental changes, set new habits and patterns.

And it's not like the Council was a bastion of loving-kindness, trust, and openness; there were innumerable doubts and grudges and suspicions to exploit, bad inclinations that pre-existed, that didn't so much need a "nudge" to be go badly, as just gently suppressing the inhibitions that might have stopped that bad decision.

How many years was Peabody inking the Council?

1. Eb was right
So far all indication are that Eb was right. Look at the kid Molly bent to help him stop doing drugs. The kid was was torn apart. He fought against the programming. The girl was ok because she had agreed to the changes her programming gave her. According to the rules of the verse you cant force someone to do something they don't want to do no matter how harmless it seems without  that harming them.
This even accounts for free will. Which is important in this verse.
2. Luccio being BC would be a twist but would it be a good one?  im not sure. Cause everything we know seems to eliminate her as a suspect. Cowl is BC why did she try to stop him.
3. Is possible cause a nudge is not out right mind control. For eg
I go out thinking with friends and knowing i have a low tolerance and friends encourage me to drink one more . Its the same as the nudge not outright mindcontrol

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DF Spoilers / Re: RNT: What is The Enemy's Plan in Storm Front?
« on: June 04, 2025, 07:17:32 AM »
There is definitely a degree of institutional delusion present in the White Council. As high and mighty wizards capable of commanding the powers of the universe they see themselves as the protectors of humanity. They are the shining bulwark against the darkness. This is backed up by centuries of tradition. The war with the Red Court exposed some of their weaknesses (ex not having enough wardens) and the Peabody event showed that their are wizards who are willing to die for a different set of beliefs just to bring the council down. The fracture lines are showing.
Its a little bit of both. From the bits of lore we have Everyone, the big supernatural powers (Mab , Odin), the various nations , even the wizards know the wizards are dangerous. Harry mentions that he can do everything a supernatural being can if he devotes enough time to try and figure it out and hes young really young by wizard standards. Now imagine what Eb, the Merlin and older Wizards have picked up over the years.
The WC has a reputation of kicking ass and taking names cause every once in a while the WC does something to back up their claims. The satellite drop thing kept the RC away from Chicago for a while. And if you go back to the test of wills fight Harry seems to be winning and his young therefore less powerful.
If i remember correctly everyone thought the WC would win handily and i think with out the Enemy backup they would.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: May 28, 2025, 06:36:48 AM »
To answer the question of
To answer the question of if Thomas can be separated from the Hunger Demon we have to understand what the Demon is. To my knowledge the author has never full stated what it is or how it develops (other than it lies dormant until the first sexual encounter). Is it some form  To my knowledge the author has never full stated what it is or how it develops (other than it lies dormant until the first sexual encounter). Is it some form of spirit? Is it part of the mind? Is it some part of Thomas' actual physical form? I think its nature would determine if/how it can be removed.
Also also, the demon or parasite is part of Thomas. Im not sure you can remove it and the character that remains would still be thomas. Its part of everything he does one way or another. Does the demon have any influence on his thought proces. Or is it just constantly there in the background. Is like Lash or is it a part of Thomas's mind. Where is the line between thomas and the demln

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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 28, 2025, 06:26:01 AM »
In Changes, Carlos tried to ask Harry what was going on when he left the confrontation with the Duchess, but Harry was in no shape to respond and Molly told Carlos that they would be in touch. Luccio told Harry that she would be the eyes and ears in headquarters and by implication organizing help there. However, before any the plan was formulated Carlos and several other wardens (except Chandler) were arrested and thus unable to help Harry in the final battle.

After Changes, Harry was dead for awhile and then in PT in the Winter Court and thus not able to be contacted. When his PT was done he was thrown right into the events of Cold Days and things moved way to quick for any type of contact to exist between them. After Cold Days, Harry had to stay on the island due to the parasite. He stayed there until the events of Skin Game started. Mab tells Harry that she specifically prevented contact between Harry and his friends and altered his messages going out in order to pressure him into backing her play in Skin Game. Once Harry got off the island, he could have taken the time to reach out to Carlos, but once again he is in the thick of Big Bad Events and rekindling communication was low on the priority list. After Skin Game is really the first time that Carlos and Harry have a chance to reconnect. Molly and Carlos' interaction takes place sometime between Cold Days and Skin Game and the end result is Carlos severely injured and most likely out of commission for a good long while since In Peace Talks he is still showing some of the effects from his injury from Molly. Recuperating in the hospital would make reaching out to Harry hard especially given that it was Harry's apprentice who did the injuring. It was the Winter Lady who injured Carlos, do you think he is going to reach out to the Winter Knight when he is still suffering from those injuries or is he going to wait until he can face Harry on his own two feet again?

To summarize, based on my understanding of the timeline, I don't think it would have been easy for Harry and Carlos to reconnect after their last meeting in Changes. Once again, from Carlos' point of view, Harry was at the least a colleague if not some degree of friend. Harry killed the Red Court, died, went to work for Mab, and did two major events all without talking to the council or touching base with the wizards who were his colleagues. I can see how Carlos might think that Harry has gone over to the dark side or at least is no longer on the good side.
Does Carlos even know why Molly attacked him. Its possible that the only explanation he was given is that Winter are masochist and its how they get off. Carlos has no idea why Molly attacked him, for all he knows Harry and Molly are gone only  things that look like them and sound like them remain.
Ps for all the Carlos hate ,Harry is also to blame.
Think about it.
Harry killed the entire Red court alone. Does the Council's general population know what happened. Im sure the senior members know he had help, but what about the  wardens including Carlos , the average WC member Joe and Jane  Everywizard. For all they know Harry made some dark deal to kill them all. What price or deal did he make to be able to do that?
Afterwards he died as in ded. At least as far as they know.
Harry died and came back. Who was the last wizard to do that.
Wait hes back and he just killed the Winter lady and is the new winter knight. His apprentice is the new winter lady. Hold on the summer lady is also died and we have a new summer lady. Dresden was also involved.
Ps someone just robbed hell ( hades i know), and Nicodemus is now on the run, Dresden was involved. He was part of Nic's crew but he suffered no consequences. Probably framed Nic and got away with it.

Im saying Harry looks shady as hell. Did Harry even try to touch base with his allies. To tell them his back and ok. No .


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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 25, 2025, 06:13:20 PM »
Is he even mentioned?  A couple of points, Carlos is a team player for the most part unlike Harry, in other words he'd spend more time at headquarters, signing orders and exposed to Peabody ink. Carlos in spite of his position is one of the younger wizards, more vulnerable to it's effects.  Did anyone bother to see if Carlos was affected by the ink?  If not rehabbed is the effect of the ink long lasting, and his ill fated sexual encounter with Molly just cemented his paranoia and feelings against Harry.
Every young wizard was affected Carlos included. The WC instituted some changes to its mental defense training but it wasn't as robust as Harry would have liked hence him and Molly training on their own. He was rehabed but trauma so close to other trauma will reopen old wounds

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: May 25, 2025, 06:08:11 PM »
Which is very weird since Susan in Death Masks was unable to touch the Sword of Faith, yet in Changes she could wield the Sword of Love.  Yeah, I understand it was out of love to save her daughter, but the other time she was helping Harry escape Nic and he merely asked her to hold it for him while he tried to climb a ladder out if I remember correctly and he was too weak to carry Sword and climb. Evil is evil, so in the first case her vamp half qualified as evil, but in the second case it didn't or was overlooked?
In the second case harry was now the Keeper of the swords Chosen by Uriel to keep them, and use   them if he saw fit. Susan and Murphy were one time exceptions. Susan's love was apparently enough for the angel to overlook the evil inside her. If she tried to use the sword for anything but protecting her daughter and saving her it would have rejected her. On the first case harry was not the sword Keeper he was just some guy.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 21, 2025, 01:41:16 PM »
Yeah.....But this is a bit different, this is the police captain banging one of her academy cadets..  A cadet with a questionable past in the middle of a murder investigation, that should pop up a few red flags here and there.. Which actually gets to the heart of what I am talking about, the effect of the Peabody's ink's nudges on the senior members of the Council.  Did those nudges blind them to those red flags?  Which actually fits nicely with why Peabody had no problem pushing Luccio towards Harry, which normally the Senior Council would notice and object to, this time was passed off under the influence as, as you say an affair between to consenting adults, makes the Captain happy so who cares?

And a good idea, and very possible.. However perhaps too simplistic on the face, but on the other hand the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.  Or if you buy that Peabody was merely someone else's cat's paw, that person or creature was on the island with him.
During turncoat Harry was not a cadet more a lieutenant banging the police captain. He had a whole region and Wardens who report to him. Its the loose cannon on the force banging the chief, the very strict chief . Its Riggs banging the Captain in lethal weapon,
Imagine mike lawrey from bad boys banging his captain.

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